Truck Show Podcast S2, E112 - In this episode, we talk to Chris Hilbert and Bernhard Leitner

 

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (0s):

Holman. What’s this? I hear about you flying back east and getting your hands on a new sport truck. I didn’t even know you were gone.

Sean P. Holman (7s):

I was gone for exactly, it was less than 24 hours. I took a six 30 flight to Detroit, and then I was there, I was fed, spent a couple hours with a new truck, and then I flew home and I got home at,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25s):

On the same

Sean P. Holman (25s):

Day. On the same day. I got home at 12:30 AM So technically I got home the next day. That

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29s):

Sounds like a crappy business

Sean P. Holman (30s):

Trip. Half an hour.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31s):

Are you happy about it or did you have a good experience? Are we gonna hear about The truck? Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (34s):

So we’re gonna, we’re gonna tease it on the, have You Heard this week. And so it might be a, a new version of a truck we’ve talked about that is more sporty now than before

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50s):

You say tease. Does that mean we’re gonna play Your audio are, we’re gonna talk about The truck or we’re just going to Yeah. Tease them and then

Sean P. Holman (57s):

We’re teasing them now. Oh, now. So that they tune in on Thursday when the next show drops. The have You Heard. It’ll be all about this particular new vehicle that we’ve been talking about for at least a couple years. And surmising that it would be the appropriate choice for a mini sport truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 12s):

This is bugging me because you did not post anything about it on your socials, so I don’t know what Not yet,

Sean P. Holman (1m 17s):

But I’ll, because it’s embargoed. Okay, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 20s):

Hold on a second. By

Sean P. Holman (1m 21s):

The, by the time

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 21s):

And I know you’re gonna say this already embargoed,

Sean P. Holman (1m 25s):

But by the time you hear this, it’ll be past the embargo. So,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 28s):

So it’s no longer

Sean P. Holman (1m 29s):

Embargo, not embargoed any longer. Okay. By the time you hear this, so that you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 33s):

Could say it here now. Right? But you

Sean P. Holman (1m 35s):

Won’t. But I’m not going to because I’m gonna save it for our Have You Heard It deserves its own little

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 39s):

Episode. Interesting. That’d be cool. I don’t know. This is, this is bugging me. I don’t know what this is. What else do we have on this episode that we can actually talk about?

Sean P. Holman (1m 48s):

Apparently you got your hands, your grubby hands on some new tool that you’re in love with Oh.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 54s):

Dude, it changed my life. This, well, I

Sean P. Holman (1m 57s):

I Don’t know if it was life changing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 60s):

Let me think about this. I’ve been, I’ll tell the full story later. Okay. I’ll just, I’ll just tease this since you’re in the teasing mood. Right, right. I I. I’ll back you up here with some tease You know when you do something like every so often and you think I’m, I’m decent at it. Yeah. I’m not a pro, but I’m pretty good. I’m serviceable, like,

Sean P. Holman (2m 17s):

Like this podcast.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 18s):

I’m just serviceable. Okay. Not great. Yeah. We’ll never be Joe Rogan You. know what I’m saying? Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (2m 22s):

Never, never,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 23s):

Ever.

Sean P. Holman (2m 23s):

Not even close.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 26s):

I’ve been soldering for a long time. That’s

Sean P. Holman (2m 28s):

Not where I thought you were going with this. I I I didn’t think that soldering was gonna be the next phrase that pays

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 34s):

Out of your mouth. I. Don’t know. What was this? Kiss fm? It’s the phrase the pays. There you go. This morning it’s 7:20 AM I just

Sean P. Holman (2m 40s):

Have to lob in those little radio bombs to remind you of your yester years.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 45s):

I have been soldering since I was a kid for whatever reason. Yeah. My father, oh, I guess not For whatever reason, he was an electrical engineer and one of his hobbies was making electrical components. And that’s why I I loved putting stuff together and making little, I made a strobe light and a bunch of little

Sean P. Holman (3m 1s):

Stuff. Sorry. Are you teasing? Or you actually telling the story now?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 2s):

What? I’m, I’m gonna tease it. Okay. I’m just saying I’ve been, I’ve been soldering for a,

Sean P. Holman (3m 6s):

A long time. I feel like you’re dangerously closed.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 8s):

I. You’re right. I story

Sean P. Holman (3m 9s):

Taking the offer. I have to go tell the story.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 11s):

It’s about soldering. That’s what it’s about. Okay. Okay. and I found a tool fricking awesome and changed my life.

Sean P. Holman (3m 17s):

And then I heard that you also went and spoke with our good friend Bernard Lightner of Lightner Designs. He tried

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 22s):

To get away from me, but he was in the booth next to banks and couldn’t Accurate, couldn’t escape. Yes.

Sean P. Holman (3m 26s):

Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 27s):

Okay. So between talking to potential customers, he spoke to me and I shoved my microphone in his face and

Sean P. Holman (3m 34s):

Asked him for a headache rack for your

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 37s):

It’s already underway. It’s already underway. And we talked briefly about it, but that’s not What. the interview is about Don’t worry, it’s not about Lightning’s T Rx. It’s not. So I’m catching up with an old friend, but also I I. Think some of the people may not know why he got started. So this is kind of an interesting twist. You’ll, you’ll like

Sean P. Holman (3m 51s):

It. Okay. All right. Yeah. If you haven’t heard the episode where he’s been on before, we

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 54s):

Didn’t discuss this, the stuff I asked him. This is new stuff. This is new stuff. Okay. I

Sean P. Holman (3m 58s):

Like it. Yeah. Alright. Well, before we get the show started, we have to thank our presenting sponsor Nissan. So for anybody out there, you’re driving your truck, you’re going down the road right now, you’re listening to The, Truck Show Podcast. And it sounds awful on your tinny crappy speakers. Your truck has a misfire. It’s shaky and vibrate. It’s loud. It only has three wheels on it. It’s smoking. How

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 18s):

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Sean P. Holman (4m 20s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 33s):

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Sean P. Holman (4m 34s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 42s):

And you’ll like the nine speed transmission,

Sean P. Holman (4m 44s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 55s):

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Sean P. Holman (5m 20s):

Means that I’m in California. That means it just got here.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 22s):

Okay. For you. It just got here for you and your buds. That’s right. So, or if you’re in one of the 17 states that require a California Air Resource Board eo, that’s an executive order that allows you to get your truck smugged. Head over to Banks Power dot com. Type in your year, make and model. You’ve got a 20 to 23 duramax. You’ll see the 4 2 2 6 6. That’s the RAM Air intake. It is now 50 state compliant. The only, the only 50 state compliant cold air intake. True cold air intake for your durmax. Go get yours.

Sean P. Holman (5m 53s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 12s):

Engine flush for your Mercedes, your dashboard.

Sean P. Holman (6m 15s):

Oh, by the way, have you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 16s):

Done that yet? No, I’m doing it this weekend. You

Sean P. Holman (6m 18s):

Better do it quick because I’m doing it. I sticking lifter is going to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 21s):

Be bad I, dude. I’m well, I’m going to your little backyard shindig and then Sunday I am doing it. All right.

Sean P. Holman (6m 25s):

Yeah. Yeah. You can use the AM oil and flush that sucker I already got it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 29s):

You got my AM I got my zero W 40 to put in. All right. Ready to go. Gonna

Sean P. Holman (6m 33s):

Flush it twice. European

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 35s):

N I’m not sure if I’m doing the European or not. I actually have to call Mark Olm over to Amil because I It’s on the borderline because it’s a big block V eight. Right. It’s not a high revving big block v It’s, so, it’s kind of right on the border whether I should do the European or the standard.

Sean P. Holman (6m 49s):

Well, what does the spec full

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 50s):

Synthetic,

Sean P. Holman (6m 50s):

What does the spec for Mercedes say

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 52s):

It full synthetic.

Sean P. Holman (6m 53s):

Oh, I know, but there’s gonna be a API number that it has

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 56s):

To, it’s not about, they both meet the a p I. Okay. There’s a very subtle difference. And I, I, I’d be lying if I told you that. Don’t re, it has something to do with one of the additives in the European. So

Sean P. Holman (7m 8s):

You need to figure out which additive is correct for your engine.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 11s):

Correct. I think it, I’m, I’m being lured into the European spec. Okay. But I have a feeling I’m gonna end up with the standard signature series full synthetic that you’d put in like my TRX. Alright.

Sean P. Holman (7m 24s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 45s):

There are a lot of manufacturers that you can get truck accessories from, but one of our favorites is EGR. The reason is they make the roll track to covers both electric and manual fender flares, V-S-L-L-E-D lights, window visors, hood guards, body side, moldings, cab spoilers, sport bars, and a whole bunch of accessories including under seat storage. We’ve been to their factory and it’s amazing to see the OE quality that they put into these parts. If you’re looking for any of these categories, head over to EGR USA dot com. If you’re consider, man, I’ve just Holman, I won’t wanna see the brand name, but I was looking at a, a retractable bed cover.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 26s):

That was the date you

Sean P. Holman (8m 27s):

Were

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 27s):

Cheating. I No, no.

Sean P. Holman (8m 28s):

On our friends at

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 29s):

EGRI wasn’t cheating. Oh, I was looking at one of the brands that You know. Yeah. And The truck had 1200 miles on it. It was a 24 Durmax. Okay. The truck had 1200 miles on it. The bed cover was already falling apart and it was brand new. I talked to the owner, he is like, yeah, I’m not super happy, dude. I have 13,000 miles on my EGR roll track. It looks like the day we installed it. So,

Sean P. Holman (8m 52s):

And we sat on it the other day and it was fine.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 54s):

We did for, for some photos. Yeah. You’ll see those photos on Instagram. Anyway, head over to EGR USA to buy the best in modifications for your truck

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The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer What The truck because truck rode with The truck show. We have the lifted We have the lowered and everything in between. We talk about trucks that run on diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show, The truck show, The truck show. Whoa Whoa.

3 (9m 34s):

It’s The truck show with your hosts. Lightning and Holman.

Sean P. Holman (9m 42s):

I I. Love how I used to do that. I think it was funny. And then you do it now and you, because you hated it and then you do it and then you just run with it. Now

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 51s):

I do it because I hated you doing it

Sean P. Holman (9m 53s):

And, but that would, you would think that you would not do it then.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 58s):

I don’t even know what we’re saying anymore.

Sean P. Holman (10m 0s):

Let’s get into this next, this, this next guest

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 3s):

Home. It’s time to talk to an entrepreneur. I’d like to call Chris Hilbert. He’s the owner of Sound Decisions and also Habanero Cordless Tools.

Sean P. Holman (10m 16s):

Cordless Heating Tools.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 17s):

Rad name. Huh?

Sean P. Holman (10m 18s):

Tell me more.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 20s):

Let me explain why Chris Hilbert is going to be on the show. A couple weeks ago I was installing my valve tro exhaust system and that’s so we can quiet down. It’s twin mufflers that have vacuum actuated cutouts. Kinda like your Jeep.

Sean P. Holman (10m 32s):

Basically the, the TRX did not come with adjustable exhaust notes. No. It had

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 38s):

Sound cannons. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (10m 39s):

Right. And it was just all loud all the time. Yes. And then you went and added the bor of Midpipe, which made it aggressive and loud. And then you went maybe a little too much, which

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 48s):

I love. And you love driving. No,

Sean P. Holman (10m 50s):

It’s great. But I also like having this, the button on the 3 92 where I pull into the neighborhood. I don’t piss everybody off within two miles. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 56s):

Ain’t no button on that truck that I can silence it.

Sean P. Holman (10m 59s):

No. Well, not factory,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 60s):

Not factory. And so you met, he will be an upcoming guest, the owner of Valve Tro. Yes. Sent me a couple of the mufflers and little Eric at work who You know all installed them beautiful work. Just the most incredible tape

Sean P. Holman (11m 13s):

Welding. Yeah. I crawl, I crawled under the back thing. And so I went to your house and I I I army crawled between the Ballards and I was able to reach the underside of your truck. and I I spun upside down. And it was interesting ’cause as I was army crawling, I was able to go underneath your IR sensor in between the Ballards. So I think you have more work to do. But that aside, did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 33s):

You have to say that out loud?

Sean P. Holman (11m 34s):

Yeah. That aside, I I do admire the work to install the TRO mufflers because they look amazing under there. They

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 41s):

Look better than stock. And so they, again, they’re VA vacuum actuated. So there is a vacuum pump basically that has to be mounted either under The truck or in the bed, whatever. And so both Eric’s at work mounted it for me in the bed. Well, you need a switched 12 volts. You don’t want it on all the time, or according to tro, it will kill your battery. So naturally I go looking for a, a switched 12 volt ignition source. There’s nothing in the bed, nothing on the TRX, nothing in the Ram 1500 where it’s switched. So upon your suggestion, I did a home run from my, one of my OX switches. Yep. Which controlled on the, on the center stack. And they’re configurable, which is awesome.

Sean P. Holman (12m 21s):

The factory buttons. And they allow you to add a lot of the rams,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 23s):

Have that

Sean P. Holman (12m 23s):

Whatever accessories you want.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 24s):

Exactly. So I go under the hood, will I, where I have all my, my bus bar and I access those wires. and I was going to solder my connection and do a home run all the way to the back with this switch connection. and I thought, oh, this would be a great opportunity to try out the cordless soldering iron that the guys at Compus Star gave me months ago. When the guys from Seattle came down from CompUSA, they

Sean P. Holman (12m 46s):

Said, use this.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 47s):

They said they were using this thing and having great success with it. and I go, I’ve never seen a cordless. I had heard about them before, but I had never seen a cordless soldering iron. And they go, this is the greatest thing ever. It’s all we use. I go, oh, that’s awesome. Where do I get one? And Josh from Company Star says, well have mine. I’m like, really? He goes, no, seriously, you’ll love this so much. We’re trying to help this guy.

Sean P. Holman (13m 9s):

He said, no, don’t have it, Chris.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 10s):

Grow the brand. and I. So I said, I’ll, I’ll take it. And, and so I used it. And Sean, I don’t call you that very often on the air.

Sean P. Holman (13m 19s):

It’s true. Only when I’m in trouble.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 21s):

You’re not in trouble. I had one of those moments where I was angry when I was using this.

Sean P. Holman (13m 27s):

Okay, I don’t know why

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 28s):

Angry.

Sean P. Holman (13m 29s):

You I was like it so much. Why were you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 30s):

Angry? I was angry that I have been doing it. I the bad way with a corded. Is it because Weller for th 35 years,

Sean P. Holman (13m 39s):

Is it because we know when you are soldering the cord pulls it in whichever direction and it’s hard to get it around because there’s always a constant tug on the back of the solder diner.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 48s):

So there’s that. and I have the most expensive weller that I can afford and it still takes five minutes to heat up. Mm. I click the button on this fricking habanero and burned yourself. And it was, I held the tip thinking it was gonna take a while. I held it, I pushed the button. I’m like, oh, that was like two seconds. And he, he heat it up. Nice. That is why we’re calling this guy, because I’ve never, if you solder even occasionally, this is the tool

Sean P. Holman (14m 12s):

You need.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 12s):

Throw the Weller or whatever the hobby shop crap in the trash and use this one. So that’s why we’re calling Chris. All right. Let’s dial this guy up. Apparently he also owns sound decisions, which is a 12 volt shop car, stereos, alarms, all that stuff. And,

Sean P. Holman (14m 26s):

And by the way, just for our listeners to set the stage, this thing is only 50 bucks. It’s not that expensive. And then it has 10 different accessory tips that are between 20, 25 bucks each. So whatever you happen to be, You know, doing whatever tip you need, just buy those. But the device itself pretty damn reasonable. The other option is, and so that’s without the tip, the 50 bucks, they also have the Habanero Diablo. I don’t know if you have the Diablo

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 54s):

I don’t know which one. I have to be honest with

Sean P. Holman (14m 55s):

You. Okay. And then they have the kit that includes a, a bunch of different stuff. So you can all the way up to about 250 bucks. It gives you a bunch of heads and the unit itself. So I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 3s):

Have three tips. I have really wide size of like a number two screwdriver, then one that is about, let’s call it an eighth of an inch wide flat. And then I have the needle nose that, that you do like a circuit board with.

Sean P. Holman (15m 15s):

Awesome. Well let’s, let’s give him a call.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 16s):

All right. Yeah, yeah. All right. Here we go. Let’s dial Chris.

Chris Hilbert (15m 26s):

Good evening.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 27s):

Hello, Mr. Chris Hilbert. It is Lightning and Holman Truck Show podcast. How you doing?

Chris Hilbert (15m 31s):

Good. And yourself?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 32s):

We are doing great. We are awesome. But before we’re allowed to talk to you, we have to play a quick intro. So don’t move. What does it, what does it,

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This is what it takes to be an entrepreneur.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 57s):

I think that’s one of my favorite jingles Still Holman. Yeah. For all this time. It’s good one. This is what it takes to be an entrepreneur. Can I

Sean P. Holman (16m 3s):

Point out that our friend here, not only does he sell the cordless heating tool, but he also sells just the tip.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 10s):

Thank you. So Chris, we were having a little discussion before we called you and I was explaining why we’re calling you and, and to, just so I don’t have to tell the story all over again. The guys at Compus Star flew down. They were amazing. They knew that I was in a world of hurt after my truck had been broken into, flew down three of ’em and marketing and I install. And they installed my Compu star T 13 with the drone mobile. And that’s been amazing. But during, I think it was Josh I, can’t remember who had the, your habanero torch or we’re calling soldering iron. And I said, well, I’ve never used one before. And he hands it over to me and he goes, we can’t work without this thing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 52s):

And I said, that’s amazing. I gotta, where can I buy one? He goes, you can have mine. And that’s how I ended up with it. and I was using it on my TRX just the other day. and I was telling Holman that I was cursing because I’m like, how am I just now finding this? Like I have struggled with my fricking weller for and I’ve been through three different wellers. The cords always break. Hey listen, they’re like, it’s

Sean P. Holman (17m 15s):

Automotive or electrical is hard enough without having good tools. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 20s):

It’s true.

Sean P. Holman (17m 20s):

Exactly. I mean. Look that, that’s it right there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 22s):

So I want to get the backstory. Chris, tell us how this got off the ground. I need your backstory if you don’t mind.

Chris Hilbert (17m 29s):

I’ve grown up soldering things, working with my father. ’cause I grew up in this, in, in the car audio industry, not having a hot tip, not having a soldering working properly. It’s been a struggle for anybody who works on cars. and I went and tried to address the problem ’cause we couldn’t find a good solution. And we kept pressing. I found a manufacturer that made it. We kept pressing. I’m like, we need something that gets hot enough, hot enough to that it’s quick, but so that the solder penetrates the wire and flows through it properly. And what we have now is the culmination of about four years of beating them up to, they said that nobody needs this.

Chris Hilbert (18m 11s):

It’s not necessary. And we disagreed and I think at this point you disagree as well. I need this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 17s):

Product. Absolutely. If you guys have ever tried to solder, I don’t know, let’s call it 12 gauge or, or even larger eight gauge, or God forbid, let’s,

Sean P. Holman (18m 26s):

Let’s even back up even further. Zero lot or double lot mo Most guys have a harbor freight style, cheap Chinese, Amazon, whatever, soldering iron that plugs into the wall and has a little light that flickers when there’s electricity going into it and takes about three hours to heat up effectively enough for you to solder things together. And it it, it might get the job done. But when you get away from those really low end entry level tools and you get into something that actually works, I mean it’s, it’s not only are your connections better, but your frustration level goes down and the overall wiring job is just way easier. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 1s):

Let me explain exactly when it happened. I’m standing there and I’m, the sun is baking down on me. It’s in my front yard. It’s about 85 degrees, like four o’clock in the afternoon on a Sunday. You know right on the verge when you’re really gonna be pissed if something doesn’t go well. And I’ve got the right, and I’ve got the lead I wanna say it’s a, just call it a 1214 gauge something pretty thick. It’s made for a 20 amp circuit and it’s connected to my ox bus on my truck. And it’s, I can’t pull the wire out. I’ve got only eight inches to work with. I

Sean P. Holman (19m 32s):

Should, I’m not, I’m not,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 33s):

Don’t even touch it.

Sean P. Holman (19m 34s):

Keep going, keep going.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 36s):

Ah, Lightning said that. Okay. So anyway, the other side is I’m gonna home run it back to my bed like by the tailgate. So it’s almost a 20 foot piece of wire. It’s the perfect heat sink. So any heat I’m gonna put into that with my old soldering iron is gonna get soaked up all the way to the end. It’s gonna warm the wire and I’m gonna have a really tough time getting my solder to penetrate both ends of the, the rock cable. And then maybe if I use flux, I’ll be lucky and it will kind of like ball up and I’ll have to push it in with the tip and it’s just gonna be like, it’s gonna be a mess. I I, get the habanero not knowing what to expect. First time I’m using it, I just

Sean P. Holman (20m 14s):

Actually melted a finger off.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 15s):

Well, at first I’m thinking I’m used to my weller where you turn it on and you hold the tip with your fingers, like you wait. Okay, it’s started to get warm. Well that, and then as it starts to get warm, you dip it in the, in the, in your flux and it starts to smoke the flux. And then you’re like, okay, now I can melt some solder, whatever. As soon as I hit the button, it’s too hard. It was too hot for me to hold. I’m like, oh, that’s, I’m not used to that. And then I immediately put in solder it’s, or in in the flux. It smokes the solder, the, the flux. And then I grab in the haer kit it comes with some, I’m assuming there’s flux in your solder. I don’t know. I didn’t do that much research there. It’s, and it’s really the thin stuff that’s easy to work with. I mean, I I went to town. It just soaked right into both ends. It made a phenomenal bond.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 55s):

and I was done with the job in 15, 20 seconds. Normally I would’ve fought with it for minutes on end and still it would’ve been balled up and ugly. I would’ve hoped that my heat shrink would’ve hidden the booger job. You know.

Chris Hilbert (21m 8s):

Yes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 9s):

How did you go from running a car stereo shop in Wisconsin to creating a tool where you have to design the insides, design the plastics, design the housing, design everything, soup to nuts? I can’t even wrap my head around it.

Chris Hilbert (21m 26s):

It was just a factor of something we needed. We, we do a lot of remote starts here in the Midwest. So we’re talking 17 connections that need to be soldered on a regular basis, doing an average of 15 to 20 cars a day, all winter long to guarantee those type of connections. We need something that’s reliable and, and this is why it was so important for us to, to push the envelope with this. And there’s a lot of things that I don’t think you’ve noticed. Like when you got done soldering the cap fit right back over the top. So you couldn’t burn your hands or burn anything that you set the soldering iron down

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 4s):

On. I did notice that that was handy. and I also noticed,

Sean P. Holman (22m 7s):

It’s almost like it was designed by somebody who’s done that before,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 9s):

Dude. And it’s very easy to change the tips. and I also noticed that the tips on the other ones use, if it’s a flat blade tip, like a screwdriver, like a number two screwdriver or something, it, you’re, it’s a fixed position. This sucker rotates. So if the wire correct, you can’t You know the wire’s going perpendicular to you or 90 degrees you can rotate and get right in there with the tip. So it’s, it’s, it’s it mates with the wire. It’s freaking genius. Here’s

Sean P. Holman (22m 33s):

What I’m curious, is there anything else out there that you were using before that comes close to this and you said, Hey, I’m gonna tweak some things or do you guys truly make something completely different for that market?

Chris Hilbert (22m 45s):

We took something that was already out there that was the first version of the habanero and it didn’t have the power this one does. So it would effectively solder about max of 12 gauge wire. Same concept though, where the tips can change real easy and it’s lightweight and it’s easy to recharge and it had a cap on it. But we kept pushing for the higher power. And this is where we’re at. The, the big tip on this will get hot within eight seconds, has the ability to solder up to four gauge wire. Not that we need to do that, but again, if we’re working in the cold in the wind, we, we have the option of being able to complete a connection.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 30s):

So Holman, we’re talking about the habanero Diablo I think is the one I have and the prices range from Correct.

Chris Hilbert (23m 36s):

You have a Diablo?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 36s):

Yeah. So 1 75 to two 50. So,

Sean P. Holman (23m 38s):

So, and that’s with some tips in the case, right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 42s):

I think Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Depending on, because

Sean P. Holman (23m 44s):

You could get the, the first version, the tool only version is like 50 bucks, which is like still a great deal for a quality soldering iron.

Chris Hilbert (23m 51s):

Yes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 51s):

And so when you’re working through the internals, I assume it’s lithium ion,

Chris Hilbert (23m 56s):

There’s two lithium ion batteries in there. They’re 3.7 volts each. We’ve got a total of 24 millions of current there. So the unit with the standard tips you can solder for an hour straight.

Sean P. Holman (24m 9s):

Geez, mackerel. And then how long is the recharge time?

Chris Hilbert (24m 14s):

Recharge time is about three and a half hours.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 16s):

Okay,

Sean P. Holman (24m 17s):

Okay. That’s not

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 17s):

Bad. Yeah, no, it’s not bad. I’m dying to know. ’cause again, we’re Holman and I love entrepreneurs. and I and I warned you about this. And before we started talking, before I called you, who, how do you get someone to design, for example, the plastics, the tips? I mean, do you, are you proficient in SolidWorks or Cat or Katia or whatever?

Chris Hilbert (24m 35s):

Well, absolutely not. I I had an idea in, in concept and how it was supposed to work. And we kinda worked with them on this over, ’cause we originally started this in 2019. And it, it took quite a while to get to this point. One, convincing them that there was a need for this two, convincing them to believe in the ideas that I had. That we needed something with higher power, the additional lights on the front to make it so that it’s brighter. Basically taking, they had a concept, they have a patent on the changing of the tips.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 10s):

Who’s, who’s the they

Chris Hilbert (25m 13s):

To manufacture in Taiwan. Okay. And so we worked with that manufacturer to further things along and basically make it so that the cap fits on the front but can be put on the back so we don’t lose it. So that it’s got a power meter so that it’s got the bright colors on it so when we drop it under the seat, it doesn’t get lost. So we don’t lose our expensive tools. Lots of little things. The, in the case there’s a spot where you can actually put the soldering iron so you could solder and use it as a station.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 43s):

Oh, I didn’t notice that.

Chris Hilbert (25m 45s):

Yep. Next to the, where you can clean the soldering tip. Yeah, there’s a spot where you can put it in and it’ll sit upright so you can solder multiple wires if you need to. Oh, no kidding.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 53s):

It’s

Sean P. Holman (25m 54s):

Like the gif that keeps on giving

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 54s):

That Right, because I used, you’re better than you thought. I I used the little gold afro, right? That it’s got a little cup with like, I don’t know what that metal is, but it just cleans the tip when you brush the tip through it and Correct. Imagine it like scotch bread or something, but like, I don’t know, it looks to me it looks like a gold chia pet. And so it took you, you started working on it from 2019 to now Yep. And fully fleshed out. What’s the adoption like in the 12 volt industry? So the car stereo guys

Chris Hilbert (26m 21s):

Last, so it launched officially last June. We had a real good push in the beginning, but with coming out of Covid and, and not the winner across the United States, we had hoped for as remote start installers, their, their budgets weren’t quite quite there. So we’ve been trying to work to get it out there a little bit more.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 42s):

We’re gonna help you do that. That, so I posted a deal on my Instagram the other day about that, and Holman will crack you up. My, my dad texted me last night at 11:15 PM and he goes, what’s that soldering iron that You know we were talking about I Go, I’m like, you’re, you woke me up. Like literally I was asleep. But I I had dad

Sean P. Holman (26m 59s):

Be mad at him

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 59s):

For that. So no, I didn’t. And I’m like, I go, well he’s like, I, I wanna order one because he’s had the same frustration. I learned to solder from my father. He was an electrical engineer for McDonald Douglass. Okay. And whatever back, I don’t know, minute Mac, minute man rockets back in the seventies and eighties I guess. So he taught me how to do the stuff and he’s been using ancient, like 1969 called an want their soldering iron back from my dad.

Sean P. Holman (27m 22s):

Yeah, but You know what, they don’t make ’em like that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 24s):

Until now. No, but until the habanero dude, I’m telling you like, like the base of his is like made outta baco light. Right. And it’s like there’s a hamster spinning trying to generate energy. Sounds awesome to me. No, it’s, it’s awful. His, his tools are like made in the Mesopotamian era and so

Chris Hilbert (27m 39s):

Cloth cord and everything, dude,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 41s):

He’s got the cloth cord legit. Yeah. So this is, I’m gonna buy one for him as a president. He’s probably listening to this and he already knows it’s coming, but I have to like, I can’t, I can’t watch the old man suffer anymore. So let me ask you this. I’m gonna put you on the spot here. Let let you own the company. What are the chances, Chris, that we could offer our listeners a discount if they want a habanero diablo, cordless soldering iron.

Chris Hilbert (28m 11s):

I can make that happen. He had me. That shouldn’t be a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 13s):

Problem. He had me nervous. We were hanging there I

Sean P. Holman (28m 16s):

I like, well, here goes Lightning again.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 19s):

So what do you, what do you want the discount code to be if we use it at, so you would go to habanero tool dot com. Habanero tool dot com or just Google it. It’ll pop right up. What do you want it to be? Have our listeners enter it to get themselves a a Diablo.

Chris Hilbert (28m 34s):

Let’s use, let’s use your name. Oh, I think let’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 38s):

Lightning Lightning. I was thinking

Sean P. Holman (28m 39s):

Third degree burn, but

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 41s):

It’s too long. You know What a sentence. Alright, so Lightning is the, the, the discount code at habanero tool dot com and buy the whole kit. Kids don’t chin out, do the whole thing. It’s, it’s Mac Daddy, congratulations on this. and I know it’s, it sounds like you’re might ha be having a little bit of a struggle getting the word out, but I think your one Instagram campaign from not being able to stalk enough like this is, this is the next level or one

Sean P. Holman (29m 11s):

Endorsement from Lightning,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 14s):

Maybe I, don’t know There. we

Chris Hilbert (29m 16s):

Go,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 16s):

We’ll see. We’ll see how it goes. Hey, real quick before we wrap up, I wanted to find out, tell me about sound decisions. Like what’s the history of, of the, of the company? You, you’re what, what, what’s your big movers? Are you doing sub boxes mainly we know you’re doing remote starts, stuff like that. Alarms, we

Chris Hilbert (29m 32s):

Do alarms, we do remote starts. We do audio. My father started the company 52 years ago. Now going back to your father, he, he manned a minuteman missile silo. We’ve got some history there. That’s where he learned everything he did to start our, our store. But we do from nuts to bolts front to back, radios, speakers, custom fabrication, fiberglass. We have a very skilled set of installers on staff to really push the envelope with that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 3s):

What Are you known for, what is your thing? Like, oh, we do fifth order band pass enclosures. Like nobody’s business or what is the one thing that sound decisions stands out for?

Chris Hilbert (30m 13s):

If it’s not remote starts, it will be called the lost start of customer service. We take care of our customers.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 19s):

Got it. Love it. Nice. Love it. Nice. Okay. And what is, is there, do sound decisions have a website or a Facebook page?

Chris Hilbert (30m 26s):

It does. It’s bright pink mailbox dot com.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 30s):

Bright pink mailbox dot com. Okay. I could not have guessed that in a million years. Why

Chris Hilbert (30m 37s):

Have you ever had a fight with City Hall?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 41s):

Okay,

Chris Hilbert (30m 43s):

Interesting. So we ran into a lot of trouble with City Hall trying to get signage for our new location. And after multiple trips and multiple times, they basically denied ’em. And so my father’s answer to that was to buy the biggest mailbox, paint a fluorescent pink, put it on the street and you can see it for a half mile either direction.

Sean P. Holman (31m 2s):

That’s

Chris Hilbert (31m 3s):

Awesome. Way you find us is just look for the bright pink mailbox.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 7s):

I’d love the inside joke here,

Sean P. Holman (31m 8s):

Mark. Marketing 1 0 1 right there. Right. That’s amazing. Yeah. Love it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 11s):

Awesome. All right, well congrats on this Chris. We are going to promote this as best we can and I just, we love it when people are

Sean P. Holman (31m 19s):

Entrepreneurs.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 20s):

Well, yeah, I was gonna say that as necessity is the mother of invention is what I was going for here. Well

Sean P. Holman (31m 25s):

Let, let me speak for my man Lightning and translate for you. He like good tool sell more, he help. Wow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 33s):

I I, appreciate you speak K

Sean P. Holman (31m 34s):

Van. Thank you. Thank you. I. I I figured that might be easier. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 37s):

All right Chris, thank you so much for checking in with us.

Chris Hilbert (31m 40s):

No problem. You guys have a great night.

Sean P. Holman (31m 41s):

All right, you too. Thanks. Talk

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 43s):

To you. Thanks. Thanks.

Chris Hilbert (31m 44s):

Bye-Bye.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 45s):

All right. So There we go Lightning at habanero O’Toole dot com. Treat yourself to an early Christmas present

Sean P. Holman (31m 52s):

Or J or just a end of summer present. There you go. All right. So what were you doing? Somewhere that had to do with trails and off-roading and, because that seems like a me thing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 5s):

Yeah, well so You know I’m in a motocross and dirt bikes. Such friend of mine, Aubrey, eh, threw the first annual trail bash at the Pomona Fairplex. Okay. And it was largely to do with motorcycles. There isn’t like an off-road expo or sand sports expo for the motorcycling dual sport community. And so he threw the first one and there were a couple of truck people there. You know most people to get to the desert or the forest or whatever. The sand dunes requires a truck. Right. And so I said, oh, You know I’ll support with banks. We’ll come out with a little, little 10 by 10 booth. And it was a great event. Phenomenal first, first go. He’s gonna be back next year.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 45s):

He had a bunch of manufacturers out there like Husqvarna, KTM, Fox Apparel, all this really cool stuff. Anyway, I was posted up next to Bernhard Leitner and Leitner Designs and I couldn’t help myself but walk over and shove the microphone in his face. I’m gonna bum rush Bernhard and see what he’s got going on over here. He’s like, uhoh Lightning again. What’s happening at Holmes? What’s

Bernhard Leitner (33m 5s):

Up? How’s it going? Good.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 8s):

So it, well, you and I spoke before the show just briefly. And you’re like, yeah, of course. I’m gonna be out there. We have one of the only racks that accept a bike in the bed. And it was like, I don’t know how many times we’ve spoken to you, but it’s always been about like the quote unquote overlanding thing. But it hasn’t been about why you started in your heritage or your You know, you have always been around bikes since the time you could walk. You’ve been around bikes, right?

Bernhard Leitner (33m 35s):

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I was riding since I was three and a half years old. I got my first bike and obviously riding with my dad even on the back of the bikes before then. But when I developed my rack system, that was my biggest gripe with racks on the market. I could put my motorcycle in the back, but I needed my rooftop 10, I needed all my other stuff. And I’m like, that’s what I’m gonna build a, something that holds a motorcycle and is still a rack. So it’s, it’s, nobody knows about that because I got so big in the overland market so quick that I just kind of went away from the whole explaining to people that it holds motorcycles. First,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (34m 6s):

Let’s explain how it holds a motorcycle. What makes it different? Yeah,

Bernhard Leitner (34m 9s):

So obviously most truck bed racks have two bars, one on the front, one on the back, and they are fixed in place. Now ours has a rail system on the top and the rear load bar is on knobs. So you loosen them up, takes five seconds and you slide it all the way to the front. And we have a patent on a self-supporting bed rack system. So when that load bar’s not there, it’s completely structural. You can still load it up any way. You,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (34m 33s):

You, you would imagine though though you’re describing it that the, the ones closest to the tailgate would become floppy. Right, right,

Bernhard Leitner (34m 39s):

Right. And we have a patent on a system that is structural in the back. So no one can really even make a sliding rear load bar unless they somehow figure out a way to get around the patent. And we’ve had that for 10 years. No one’s figured that out yet. So, but yeah, I mean it lets you slide it forward and it’s not just great for motorcycles. I mean, how many times do you have a cooler? It slides to the front of your truck bed, you climb in and whack your head on that bar

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35m 0s):

Every time,

Bernhard Leitner (35m 1s):

Every single time. So when you don’t have stuff on top, just drive with it forward and your truck bed is completely open, yet we still have all that side storage and the shower attachments that attach to the side. So it just really, it’s, it’s great for everybody. It’s not just an overland rack. There

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35m 17s):

Was a guy at banks, he was picking up a big tool chest to snap on tool chest and he had a rack and he couldn’t get it in the back. Yeah. He had to disassemble his rack to get it in. He was like two hours. He was trying to take apart his rack just to get a snap on tool chin. And we had the forklift. We were standing there waiting like dude we’re, we had to just sit around and wait for him to take it apart. If he had one of your racks,

Bernhard Leitner (35m 34s):

He could have just dropped right in. The other great thing that we found out is I’ve moved refrigerators, I’ve, I’ve moved water heaters and what you do is you pop.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35m 41s):

That’s because you want a truck. Yeah, exactly. Anyone who owns a truck has to move beds, refrigerators, and I.

Bernhard Leitner (35m 46s):

Yeah. And I’m, yeah, my neighbor’s calling me all the time, right. For that kind of stuff. But the cool thing is you take the rear load bar off, which pops off and a few seconds and you pinch it in between the front load bar and the back load bar and the thing doesn’t move. You don’t even need to strap it down. It’s, it’s such a great, great

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 1s):

Way to go. You could almost put a mattress straight up and down. Yeah. Wouldn’t want to, but it would, would flop in the wood. But it wouldn’t, it wouldn’t fly out. It

Bernhard Leitner (36m 7s):

Wouldn’t fall back. No. And by

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 8s):

The way, what is up with so many people still putting mattresses on the top of their Honda Accords and they want to take flight and you’re like, you’re gonna rip your roof off or I’m gonna drive over your mattress. People will not learn that. You just cannot, do not put a mattress on your roof.

Bernhard Leitner (36m 22s):

I pass that car as fast as I can. I get in the fast lane and just bail because it looks like it’s just gonna take me out. That,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 28s):

Or a surfboard. I was almost killed by a longboard that launched up in Ventura. It just took flight off the guy’s car, went a hundred feet into the air and landed in front of me about 20 feet in front of me. I thought if I had landed it would’ve went right through my, my windshield.

Bernhard Leitner (36m 42s):

Like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 43s):

It just can’t strap stuff down.

Bernhard Leitner (36m 45s):

When I was 18, I got a ticket for that. I, my bedliner, my drop in bedliner ejected out of the back of my car and it landed in the center divider and a cop pulled me over for, for not securing my load. And it wasn’t, it was a bedliner.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 59s):

There was no load.

Bernhard Leitner (37m 0s):

Yeah. I just ejected. So I know the, I know I know what can happen out there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37m 4s):

How did you, now that you, you built it originally four bikes because you were a two wheeled freak. I am.

Bernhard Leitner (37m 11s):

Yeah, exactly. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37m 13s):

But then how did you get so quickly wrapped up in, you were like, you’re like one of the, forgive me, but you’re one of the centerpieces in the overland community. Like let me pause this real quick here. For those that don’t know Bernard Leiter’s father, unless You Heard the other episode, quite a while back, Bernard Leiter’s father started amp research and AMP research. They’re the bed step guys. So if you’ve got a power step, those are the guys, they licensed it out to everybody. If you’ve got a retractable step, it was born from his father. Prior to that he was a professional motocross racer. Well and he brought in a TK bikes. That’s where I’m going. So he was a professional motocross rider. So that’s where Bernard You know gets birthed.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37m 54s):

And he naturally is a, a rider as well. You were the go-to rack guy in Overlanding. Yeah, sure. How did that happen so fast?

Bernhard Leitner (38m 1s):

Yeah, I mean that’s, that’s a good, that’s a good question. I mean we did a lot of shows. We did a lot of promotions back in the day. But I mean I just, I honestly believe it was just a rack that when I started, the only thing you could get for an overland rack is you could buy a set of bent tubes that you had to weld together yourself. That was literally was, was available in the overland market. and I came out with a full system that already had toolboxes and storage systems and rooftop tent brackets and light brackets. It was all already fully engineered for that. When all that was on the market was bent tubes, you had to weld together. ’cause they couldn’t figure out how to ship a rack yet. Right. That was the big thing. Oh, our rack UPSs to your door because we figured out how to bolt it together and make it flat pack.

Bernhard Leitner (38m 43s):

Got it. Everything else back then, nobody figured it out. So they would send you tubes, you had a weld,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 47s):

Your stuff is all made here in the us

Bernhard Leitner (38m 50s):

It is a hundred percent US made. Yes. Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 52s):

And a lot of that stuff even back then was coming out of China or wherever. Right. And so it did have to be, did that play a part that you were local versus in the import stuff? Did or no? Yeah.

Bernhard Leitner (39m 3s):

I mean I, we always push for the EGR, USA made products. I mean, we only make in the EGR USA some people care.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 11s):

I I. Guess what I’m asking you about is assembling shipping and the way you can package it versus someone who has to package it coming out of You know China. Yeah,

Bernhard Leitner (39m 21s):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Absolutely. I mean, it was a full thought process right in the beginning to make it a consumer product. Not something that you had to take to somebody to install or it was gonna be installed. I mean, it was all thought through from the beginning to be a consumer product to make it easy to build and ship to the guy directly. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 37s):

So how does it feel to return to your roots to two wheels? Like you’re surrounded by KTM dual sport bikes, you’ve got Husqvarnas over here, like Oh, how many people know that about you other than your inner circle of friends? Yeah.

Bernhard Leitner (39m 48s):

I don’t know. I guess in the offroad overland industry, not that many people. We’ve not really pushed it. I personally at this show, all I’m doing is going to see all the bikes because I don’t get around it enough. I’m like, I’m just in everybody else’s booth talking. Right. So about up to them, about their bikes they got. So that’s cool.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 2s):

That’s cool. And what do you have in the back of this one? What kind of bike is that?

Bernhard Leitner (40m 4s):

That’s my personal, it’s a Ducati Desert X. It’s about 1,950 cc adventure bike. Okay. Yeah. I take that to Mexico.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 14s):

I’m going to Italy in the end of September. Should I go to Ducati? People say there’s a great tour at Ducati. There

Bernhard Leitner (40m 20s):

Is a great tour at Ducati. Personally, I’ve never gotten to do it, but my, another funny story is my uncle was the importer for Ducati for 30 years to Austria. So he spent all his time and I’ve been riding Ducati since I was 16. Okay. So it’s beautiful though. I heard

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 37s):

What is new? Are you debuting anything at this show or if not, what’s upcoming? And because You know where I’m going with this.

Bernhard Leitner (40m 44s):

So there is some new stuff obviously that you already know. We’ve already talked about it. You, you’ve been one of the people pushing me for this particular product. And, and randomly enough, as soon as we started talking, people started calling for this product as well. Saying, Hey, you should make this. And I’m like, okay. You know I got enough people hitting me up. So I think it’s gonna be cool. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 2s):

Should we say or should we hold off for now? No, no,

Bernhard Leitner (41m 4s):

No. We, we can talk about it. Actually, we’re making, there’s one product that you already know and another product. So, so people have always been asking for what is called like a, a headache rack, right? So when you have gear loaded up in the back of The truck, you slam the brakes, you get in an accident, it doesn’t come through the rear windshield. And people have been asking for that. I know you have. So we are making a universal, super clean aluminum rear panel that adapts to every truck size that bolts directly to our rack.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 30s):

Yeah. Kind of accordion’s in the center.

Bernhard Leitner (41m 32s):

Accordion’s in the center, correct.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 33s):

But seamless. So you can’t even tell that there’s a seam there unless you get really close.

Bernhard Leitner (41m 36s):

You get really close. So this will attach to our rack. So if you’re the kind of guy that’s worried about stuff coming in the back or someone breaking into your car, smashing out the rear window as you might have already experienced their Lightning. So that You know when that, when that happens. So this, this will protect all that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 52s):

Turns out you’re a good engineer.

Bernhard Leitner (41m 54s):

I’m decent. I love, I love what I do. It’s all it is. I just love what I do. and I can spend all day at it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 60s):

It’s cool because you get to like for, I don’t know if you grew up playing with Legos.

Bernhard Leitner (42m 4s):

Oh, oh yeah. But like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 5s):

This is you, this is the, the man’s Lego set right here. Right. You get to keep creating new sets of Legos.

Bernhard Leitner (42m 11s):

That’s what people call all the time. It’s like a major erector set for for adults. Right. So you can bolt to it. We, we have all these attachments, but it’s designed to work with everybody else’s kind of stuff too. So if you have already have products from Yakima, Thule Rhino Rack, you want all their product engineered to build right to it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 29s):

So that’s smart. A lot of companies, they make it proprietary the system by which it all bolts together and they’re like, no, we want our own ecosystem. We’re gonna do the Apple thing. We only want you to use Apple product. And you’re like, no, no, no, no. If you are already married to another brand cases Yep. You’re like, you can bolt those onto my rack. I think that was brilliant

Bernhard Leitner (42m 48s):

For sure. And like people are very particular about their bike rack, their kayak rack rack or whatever, and they might have had it already and they just want to transfer it and they’ve had good experience with that product. You can bolt

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 59s):

ITAR and that stuff is expensive, so you don’t wanna have to buy it twice.

Bernhard Leitner (43m 2s):

It, it absolutely is expensive. Right. And it just, but just the, the you own it. You want to keep using it. Why, why make you go buy another product? Right. Again, so,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 12s):

So other than the headache rack, do you have anything new we can tease or do you have stuff going into sema? We do have a,

Bernhard Leitner (43m 17s):

We have a couple of vehicles going into sema. We’re working with a company right now to start building some racks for side-by-sides. Like more like farm truck type side-by-sides that have beds and that need that type of storage capability to put all their tools and kind of stuff that we already offer. So we’re gonna build a really shrunken down version for, for a vehicle that’s going into sema. I can’t tell you who, but yeah. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 40s):

Interesting. I feel like we’re seeing Lightener designs kind of changed their trajectory just a little bit. It’s kind of cool.

Bernhard Leitner (43m 48s):

I think there’s always opportunity out there. And then You know, maybe a lot of people don’t know this either, but I mean we outfit all the LA lifeguards. I mean we’ve outfit all the lifeguards up and down the California coast. So those guys use it for all their rescue equipment, their backboards, they’re You know for all their first aid kits. It’s mounted on the side. They use the shower to wash off wounds that we manufacture. Okay. So we’re in a lot of different industries, but at least we’re back at our root back at my roots here at this show, which is just, just love the trail bash what’s,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 16s):

What’s the first bike that you’re going to try to actually steal? And right outta here

Bernhard Leitner (44m 20s):

There is a, there’s a Husky three 50 over there, street legal and that just, that’s the bike I really want to get right. Just to race around town. I’m close to some riding areas and it’s street legal just looks like the perfect, it’s like a motocross bike that’s street legal. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 36s):

If I can get the key, I’ll, I’ll push the guy to the ground. I’ll steal the key. I’ll give it to you and you ride out. Yeah, let’s

Bernhard Leitner (44m 41s):

Do it. Alright. I have no problem. I’m licensed for that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 44s):

Bernard Leer, everybody. All right. Leer Designs.

8 (44m 48s):

Appreciate it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 50s):

There you go.

Sean P. Holman (44m 52s):

Love me some Bernard Lightner and I really like his products. In fact, I use his awesome box on top of the Jeep for longer over landing trips. And the thing that is unique is he’s always attacking the markets that he goes into. He always attacks it with his his style. Yeah. But also to be completely different than everybody else. For example, the a CS forged rack with the removable center bar with the forgings instead of just tubes on the end. All that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 16s):

Well the, the way that he put the locks on your, on your cases. Right.

Sean P. Holman (45m 20s):

So what I was gonna talk about the cases is the fact that what makes them different is it opens from the side, not the top. So when you have the boxes on your roof, you can still access the contents without climbing up. And then having to look down the way they mount internally, locking to the mount rather than externally locking to the mount means that you have to break into the box in order to remove the box. And then it has a bulb seal, so it’s weather and dust proof. And then on top of that, his handles have two T handles. Both are locks on that particular box integrated. And you have two locks versus having to put padlocks or off road that are hitting everything and chipping your powder coat and making a bunch of noise. So Bernard makes some some killer stuff for sure.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 60s):

All right. You good for some email?

Sean P. Holman (46m 2s):

Let’s do it.

2 (46m 4s):

You email? Yeah, I email. do it. We email. That’s right. Everybody email type it up. You email proofread. I email send it. We email. Click it. Everybody email.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 22s):

I who do you wanna go first? You wanna start it this time? I think I did last time. No, go for it. Oh, okay. Turn down that music. All right. This one’s coming in from Trevor. One of our more prolific writers. Throw some truck nuts at the bottom of your hole.

Sean P. Holman (46m 38s):

I. Think that was your ballers. Yeah. You

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 40s):

Are asking what you should put in the bottom I. What should bury as like a time capsule. Capsule. Yeah. Every good hole needs some nuts. He says, yeah, that is. Well

Sean P. Holman (46m 47s):

That’s super inappropriate.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 48s):

Very funny. And a little too late. Trevor.

Sean P. Holman (46m 51s):

Very, thank you very much. We’re reading it too late. He sent it on time.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 55s):

That’s what I meant. Right? We are too

Sean P. Holman (46m 56s):

Late. We’re too late. Yeah. What did you put in the bottom of your holes,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 1s):

This rock boring stuff. That’s

Sean P. Holman (47m 3s):

It. Yeah. You, you had this whole big thing about how you’re gonna have a time

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 5s):

Capsule. No. So the thing is, is that I expected our friend Rich Holdaway of Holdaway Construction to come over and spend two days doing it. Dude, he was in and out one day. Yeah. I mean, he hauled balls. Well, he also said he was so freaking fast, he

Sean P. Holman (47m 20s):

Texted us and said that he has a bunch of bids out for people who actually wanna do that to their place. After seeing the video of,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 27s):

So this morning he had no, yesterday, yesterday when he, he had nine bids. Yeah, he’s probably got more today. So the baller thing is taken off. Dude, th this is crazy. Look at this Hold on a

Sean P. Holman (47m 36s):

Second. Somebody stole your

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 37s):

Ballards No. wait, hold on. Lemme, I’ve gotta go to

Sean P. Holman (47m 40s):

Slack video of

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 41s):

Somebody. No, it’s not that dramatic. Hold on, lemme just pull up. You went

Sean P. Holman (47m 43s):

Up eight octaves.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 44s):

Steven worked. This is funny. They

Sean P. Holman (47m 47s):

Jumped up and, and down and moved your hands and did jazz hands and stuff.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 50s):

California Truck Invasion stole my post and reposted it as of right now. And they

Sean P. Holman (47m 56s):

Didn’t give you any credit either?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 57s):

No, they didn’t gimme any freaking credit. Oh, that’s as, as re grammars never do.

Sean P. Holman (48m 0s):

That’s not true. I give everybody credit. So as

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 2s):

Of this afternoon, it had like 10,000 likes and there was hundreds of comments. So why

Sean P. Holman (48m 8s):

Don’t you DM them and say, Hey, can you give me credit and tag me on there?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 12s):

Yeah, I should have. You

Sean P. Holman (48m 13s):

Should do it right now.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 14s):

All right, here we go. That’s ridiculous. All right, here we go. Let’s see this. Most of

Sean P. Holman (48m 17s):

Those people are like, Hey, we don’t know whose photo we stole, but DM for details. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 20s):

Here we go. That

Sean P. Holman (48m 21s):

People can see them operate on your, on your Instagram

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 25s):

Fucking invasion.

Sean P. Holman (48m 26s):

All right. Nobody wants to hear you actually do it. So I’ll go into the next email.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 29s):

Should I, should I DM them or just tag myself in there?

Sean P. Holman (48m 31s):

No, DM them and just go, Hey, could you tag me in there? You can’t tag yourself in somebody else’s post. Let’s just ignore you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 37s):

What do you think? Please, like, please give me credit for the photo. No. Hey

Sean P. Holman (48m 41s):

Guys, thanks for grabbing my photo. Hey

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 43s):

Guys, could you please

Sean P. Holman (48m 43s):

Tag me? Thanks. Okay. We’re not doing this on, I’m reading the email. This is not good. Podcasting. Alright, got this one from RB says NFI and UPS Driver for Sean. He says, nfi, every other dog breed cats, goats, possums, reindeer. All the photos are good. You can whiz through them fairly quickly. And it’s an MSN article that has 50 times UPS drivers captured the cutest dogs, and it’s got a UPS driver hugging a newie. And I’ve mentioned on the show that I’ve been to Newfoundland Canada, I’ve been screeched in and I was disappointed that all I saw were chihuahuas and pit bulls and things like that, when in reality I was expecting to see a newie in Newfoundland and never happened. So Ray, thank you for letting me know that there’s a place that I can see these big adorable huggable awesome NFI dogs.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 30s):

This one’s coming in from a chance. Parslow, Lightning and Holman been a listener since episode two and I have really enjoyed the show. Every week I own a 2016 Power Wagon, a 2017 Jeep Wrangler and a 78 Camaro. That’s quite a driveway you got. Just wanted to say thanks for the great times and great information. Wondering if you could talk about the Power Wagon, what you like, what you don’t, and could you get Dawn from third Fabrication on? Would love to hear from him. I, don’t think you’ve ever had ’em on. And he says, thank you for mounting those parameters. And yeah, buddy, five stars. And of course he’s got a picture of his Camaro and the Jeep and the Power Wagon and they’re all fricking blue or purple and rad.

Sean P. Holman (50m 8s):

Love the Power Wagon. I was in Moab in 2004 when they were revealed to the press. I was one of four journalists who were on that trip from the day day they brought it back. It was awesome. In fact, there was some spy photos of the Power Wagon being driven around Moab with the development team with, with camo on ’em and stuff like that. And you could always tell the trails that the Power Wagon team had been on because the hitches would scrape on all of the ledges and things like that. And so part of that development drive, they actually made the callers for the tow hitch on Power Wagons out of Forged Steel because they ended up getting dropped off ledges when people off roaded and stuff. And then there’s a quasi famous photo of me driving a quasi power.

Sean P. Holman (50m 51s):

Quasi famous. Yeah, I mean it w it’s it’s, it pops up on the internet from i time and again, but it was back in Moab 2005, we had our red Four Wheeler Power Wagon Long Termer. The back window says Four Wheeler big sticker in it. And I’m driving it up. Hell’s Gate on the famous Hell’s Revenge Trail. I I’m wearing a like Indiana Jones hat and I’m sticking out the window. And 20 years ago that truck was a big deal because nobody had a factory pickup truck that had an off-road package like that. Solid axles, front rear coil springs in the front, front and rear lockers. Although their rear locker was a limited slip when it was unlocked, which was super novel.

Sean P. Holman (51m 32s):

Still a super novel. Rock rails from the factory forged five spoke wheels from the factory, 33 inch BF Goodrich all train Kos, full skid plating a war 10,000 pound ward winch in the bumper. Bill Stein shocks all from the factory back in 2004. It’s funny how this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 49s):

Stuff is just expected now, but you’re right. Back

Sean P. Holman (51m 51s):

Then it was, it was a trend unheard of. Yeah. In fact that I remember driving up and I got to the top and some guy yells, he goes, that thing got air conditioning. And I’m like, yeah, leather seats too. You know. And it was, there’s literally the photo has a crowd standing like there must be 40 people at the top. And I’m driving this thing up. It’s shot by Ken Brubaker from the bottom looking up. It was incredible. We drove it all around Moab and people were just blown away of seeing that truck in person. And in fact, on the way home, SoCal, you take I 70 through the mountains and there was the blizzard on the way home and there were several, several cars that crashed and were spun out. and I actually used the Warren Winch and was towing people out of the ravines on the way home with the Power Wagon.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 31s):

I was hoping you were gonna tell me he just pushed ’em out of the way.

Sean P. Holman (52m 33s):

No, no, I’m, I’m not you. I help people. So yeah, it’s one of those vehicles that is super special, especially the first gen. The problem was now is it was a quad cab basically, right? Then it went to the, the DS style cab. And when it went to the ds, the cab got bigger and the Wheel base grew. So it went from 140 or 145 inches to, I don’t know, like 1 49 or somewhere around there. So this is the part

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 60s):

You like or

Sean P. Holman (53m 0s):

Don’t like. I don’t like it because the Breakover angle changed. They never upgraded to the fatter 60 mil Bill Stein shocks. And they never put a 35 on it. So when Ford finally came in with the Super duty tremor, it kind of did everything that the Power Wagon should have done. And it just came to a place where Ram got complacent and they didn’t keep upgrading it. It was a huge hit. It was a great truck for years and years and years. Still is a great truck, but there’s some other stuff out there that’s equally as good or or better from the factory. But it really was a trendsetter and a great truck. It’s one of my all time favorite trucks, period. It’s, it’s top 10 on my list of vehicles I have reviewed and and driven in my career.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 38s):

I appreciate that I have no opinion. I just, of that particular truck, I don’t have any seat time at all. Zero. So you have no,

Sean P. Holman (53m 45s):

No

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 45s):

I wish I could weigh in. I’ve seen no point of reference I I mean I’ve seen three or four come through the shop, but I’ve never even sat in one. So I mean I realize that’s the same interior, but no, their offroad pros can’t speak to it. So thank you. And by the way, for thanks for emailing Master

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Monitor key engine parameters

Sean P. Holman (54m 3s):

And I’m going to show Lightning the photo. He, he was laughing while he was telling the story because I I don’t think he thinks that. There it was. There’s that many people who were there

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 14s):

In the meantime.

Sean P. Holman (54m 16s):

Yay

10 (54m 16s):

Buddy

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 17s):

And star

10 (54m 18s):

Review. Bye star.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 21s):

Oh, by the way, and chance about thn. We are getting close to booking him on the show. I’ve been trading emails with him and he’s excited to come on as far as I know. And hopefully that’ll happen in the next couple of weeks, months, whatever. But yeah. Yeah, I’d love to get him on. Been tracking him down for quite some time. All right, so

Sean P. Holman (54m 36s):

On the PO screen is the photo of me driving a brand new stock power wagon up Hell’s Gate in Moab.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 42s):

First off, that is crazy. Looking like you’re going to tip over on the passenger side. That hat is silly. Why were you wearing that hat? I mean, I get it. It’s a desert hat. Desert hat

Sean P. Holman (54m 53s):

Does a stock truck back. Desert

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 55s):

Law Sean Holman. Yeah, there are 40 people perched up some sitting, chilling. Another one’s just looking at you like, damn, what’s that power wagon doing?

Sean P. Holman (55m 5s):

I mean that is a crazy You know a crazy spot where You know Jeeps and stuff go on a regular basis and where

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 12s):

You just go all the way up.

Sean P. Holman (55m 15s):

Well I mean it’d sound like a seal ’cause I have throttle control. Right? But yeah, I mean it, it was, let’s just say it was, it was something to see back in 2005. Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 25s):

You on the break when you’re going up something like that? No. Like you, you’re just all throttle, you’re like feathering brake, no gas, great brake gas,

Sean P. Holman (55m 31s):

Both lockers locked. Oh, electronic sway bars. The other thing I missed on it had the electronic sway bar disconnected and both lockers locked. Four Wheel drive low range. Just let her

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 39s):

Eat money. You know what

Sean P. Holman (55m 40s):

Else? Speaking of the Emmy. Yeah buddy. She called me out on Instagram today. She’s at an Audi drive and she’s like, look, Audi likes me. I have tied Dr. Pepper. Suck it Holden. So I’m going to have,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 53s):

She’s bringing hellfire.

Sean P. Holman (55m 54s):

I’m have to clap back now. So let’s I know what I’m doing tomorrow. Let’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 57s):

Do, let’s bring this firestorm. Yeah, she, I mean how do we, we need the brick. The brick is mu Let’s do the brick. The brick at the museum. What are we gonna write on the brick?

Sean P. Holman (56m 6s):

Well, I I, we need something sooner than the brick. The brick is like a six month thing. They

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 10s):

Don’t just the brick is the

Sean P. Holman (56m 12s):

Ultimate. I understand that. Stealth I need a I, need a clap back tomorrow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 15s):

Oh

Sean P. Holman (56m 16s):

And I will

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 17s):

Do you have one planned

Sean P. Holman (56m 19s):

Standby. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 21s):

Interesting. Keep your eye on Holman socials at Sean P Holman. Okay. I I

Sean P. Holman (56m 25s):

Got another one from Mr. Nero and I I. We normally don’t read two for the same person, but this one is about Lieber woman. Oh, Lieberman. Yeah. He says, here’s my thoughts on that damn Lieber woman. Just kidding. I actually find him enjoyable and I think it’s healthy to avoid TSP being an echo chamber. And Johnny definitely brings some different viewpoints to the table. He actually has a lot of good answers for challenges of getting to the future of electrification. He’s given. He’s way more educated on the subject than I am. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on most of it that he’s probably right about electrification in the future. One question I wish I could ask, and it’s a genuine one that I don’t know if I’ve ever seen the answer to. It’s this for simplicity’s sake picture. There are a hundred ice cars on the road in the world and each car produces one unit of emissions.

Sean P. Holman (57m 7s):

That means we live in a world that has a hundred cars and a hundred emissions. Let’s say we get to a hundred percent adoption of full electric and all of the range hurdles for the cars themselves and all the ancillary infrastructure is solved. We now have 100 EV cars on the road for argument’s sake that took 0.5 units of emissions to create. We now have a world that has a hundred ice and a hundred EV with a total of 150 units of emissions. This email is already very wordy and long. So I won’t go deeper than that. But can you imagine once you factor in the time to that above example in the ancillary emissions generation from the construction and mining efforts to support getting to a hundred percent adoption by creating the infrastructure required, the total global emissions output has to increase from the base level of ice scenario I would imagine without mandates that rip ice out of people’s hands and crush them or another cash for clunker style program that offers me 250,000 for my ice, there’s a 0% chance ice goes away in the next century.

Sean P. Holman (57m 59s):

Even if fossil fuels are depleted, synthetic fuels will continue to power them. Here’s my actual question. Are you aware of any one group entity who has thoughtfully put calculations to this and can show What? the total tipping point is for adoption of EV compared to number of ice removed from the road and plotted that over time this TEDx talk is the closest he provided a link I personally found to talk along this point. According to Graham Conway, EVs will take about 40 to a hundred thousand miles to begin offsetting their initial emissions generation from cradle to grave of circulation before they’re truly a reduction in emissions compared to an existing ice vehicle. The dude has held roles all related to precisely this topic for the past decade, including at s a E and now SWRI. So I feel his personal opinion is worth considering in the discussion.

Sean P. Holman (58m 40s):

Thanks Trevor. Trevor, that might be the most complete and interesting well thought out email we’ve ever had from you. We appreciate that more than Lightning pudding truck nuts at the bottom of his Ballard holes and I did forward this email to Johnny and said, Hey, what do you think I have not heard back yet? Who’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 55s):

The TED talk from?

Sean P. Holman (58m 56s):

Ted Talk is from a gentleman Graham Conway. Graham

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 59s):

Conway. Okay, so

Sean P. Holman (59m 0s):

Check it out.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 1s):

I thought he might be talking about a guy named Michael Shellenberger. I think he was going to run a ran kind of sort of for California governor. But he has done a few talks including a TED talk that are fascinating. A, he was like, he was a liberal and then he kind of turned against that establishment and did a deep dive on why renewables can’t save the planet. And it’s absolutely fascinating. I would just look up, don’t even worry about Michael Shellenberger, just type in why renewables can’t save the planet. And then you’ll go down the Michael Shellenberger Rabbit hole. Rabbit hole. He’s very well spoken and very well researched.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 43s):

Oh, I guess I’m up next then. So, hey Lightning have You Heard, I can’t find this in print yet, but Tim over at Truck and SUV is reporting that Toyota will replace the engines in all affected vehicles. I guess if you needed service on your Toyota, you’d better get it now because they’re going to be backlogged for a long time. I can’t believe I’m telling you this before that buddy journalist of yours and then he links me over to Tim Truck and SUV talk. Monitor those engine parameters or is it monitor engine recalls and five stars, master

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Monitor key engine parameters,

10 (1h 0m 20s):

Five star review, five stars.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 25s):

What’d You know about that Holman?

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 26s):

Yeah, so it, it came out, and this is a slightly older email which is why you’re hearing about it now. I’m sure everybody’s caught up. But basically Toyota came out and said there is no fix for those Toyota. We talked about under recall, which were the Lexus and the tundras. According to some of my sources there, the press release said it was a, some sort of manufacturing contamination or machining contamination, something like that. But then I heard from somebody, I know that they heard it was maybe from the sand casting of the block where the sand wasn’t fully removed from the engine. So I don’t know what what caused it. But the bottom line is those engines, all of them will probably fail at some point in Toyota. Horrible quality issue.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 7s):

But nice to see them stepping up to the plate and taking care of every one of those customers. It’s both the early tundras as well as the Lexus LX 600. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 19s):

Oh that’s so unusual for Toyota. Well is it maybe not. I mean it’s, I mean not unusual for them to be good to the customer, but it feels like it’s unusual for their You know the quality of product. Yeah, like they’re just You know they’re it. You

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 31s):

Don’t hear about these big ones too often. Not

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 32s):

Usually

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 33s):

This. This is a pretty big one. All right, I got this one from Don Happel says, is trail writing dead Insert funny names here. Okay, light Bright and Holman Holman name Ma mania Holman ho mania ho mania.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 51s):

What does that have to do with trail riding?

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 53s):

Well he said insert funny names here so I get to choose the names and you’re light bright and I’m ho Mania. Okay, it says one for Mr. Holman. It seems ever since the industry saw the success of the Raptor, the only real off-road products being offered are go fast. Baja type build three flavors of Raptor, TRX, the new defender Okta G Class A MG, even the cyber Roc and Rivian, you spell it Cyber Roc, which is hilarious. They throw huge power numbers up and say off road, but they really only mean go fast off road Jeep is the last man standing if you want trail rig or rock crawler with Bronco and the new Yodas with IFS and solid rear as also rans. My assumption is that it’s easier to keep nice road matters with the go fast suspension than highly flexible trail suspension.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 33s):

And of course the solid axles remain the standard for articulation and ease of modding and are less nice for taking the kids to school or commut commuting down the freeway and huge horsepower isn’t really an any advantage on the trail compared to the street or going full dune bashing or for enticing buyers to par with six figure asking prices. Have we seen an end of trail crawler focused products? I’m clearly biased as my wheeling is trail riding. Places like Rubicon, Ford Ice, Moab not blasting through dunes in wide open desert. That’s fun. But unless you live in the Southwest, how many places can you even use that sort of performance versus slower, more technical driving which can be found everywhere. PS Lightning don’t take too much crap from Holman. We know this show would be unlistenable without your editing magic behind the scenes. Don Happel guy, who remembers when the defender was a utility vehicle?

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 16s):

All right, that’s a loaded question Mr. Happel. I would say that you picked on Raptor, TRX Defender Okta G Class Cyber Truck and Rivian, I’m going to argue with you. The Rivian is not a go fast vehicle. It doesn’t have the suspension for it, nor is the cyber truck. They’re independent all four corners. Raptor, TRX, certainly Bronco Raptor. The Raptor, absolutely. Yes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 43s):

But I but I’ve hold, I’ve been seeing lately maybe just ’cause I’m so close to it, but I’ve been seeing TXs through like forest scenarios and guys who are trying to get technical with them. Again, I’m not saying that they’ll do well in those technical trails, but I’ve seen guys certainly drive,

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 59s):

Well he’s not asking how the end user’s using it, he’s asking how the manufacturers are promoting it. Oh gotcha. So I think it’s a, it’s just marketing. It’s way easier to sell sand dunes with, with sand flying in a big horsepower and it’s a technological tour de force. It’s way harder to create something that goes fast and has the thermal management and the power to stay together and I think that builds a reputation toward durability and things like that. So they use it as a halo vehicle. And also it’s what’s selling right now. Mojave Gladiators are You know right there Jeeps doing as well. However, when you do the flip side, yeah, IFS is here to stay. Dunno tell you Don, unless you’re looking at a heavy duty Ram or a Ford or a Jeep, there’s not much out there except for maybe a Grenadier. And Grenadier is definitely more of a trail riding not a go fast.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 40s):

So you’ve got the Grenadier, you’ve got the Bronco Wild Track or Sasquatches, you’ve got of course the new Trail Hunter from Tacoma that’s in. Then you can still get the TRD Pro for go fast. So I would argue and say no, you’re good. How about the, the Trail Boss or even the Bisons from You know the Colorados You know the ZR two, whether it’s a a Colorado, a 1500 heavy duty, they can go faster than their non zero two counterparts. But they’re not up in the TRD Pro Raptor territory. What about

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 10s):

The the at T four X? I just want saw one today.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 12s):

Same thing like it’s, that’s a zero two, that’s just the GMC zero two. That is way better at trail riding. I mean the Multimatic are a great shock and they can take it, but that’s not gonna be Raptor TRX level. That’s gonna be a notch below. And again, when you build something, we’ve said it before, when you build something that goes fast, it can also go slow. When you build something that goes slow, it can, it doesn’t go fast. It doesn’t go fast, right? So it behooves you as a manufacturer to build something that can go fast knowing that your customer’s gonna be able to do anything with it. So there you go.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 40s):

Oh wow. Well said. Lightning is wrong. Oh is the subject line.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 44s):

That’s right after Lightning. Don’t take too much crap from me. So I like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 47s):

That. I know that sucks. So he follows it with, by the way, this from Richard Stone. Thanks Richard Lightning is as usual wrong. The OBS Chevy or GMT 400 is still the best truck on the road. And the 95 up interior looks good. These trucks, Tahoes and Suburbans are everywhere and easily modified, lifted or slammed. They are still very popular everywhere. They are still top of the mountain. Don’t care, Richard. Wow. I

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 22s):

Don’t like them. You’re not gonna answer that. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 23s):

Don’t like them

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 25s):

That be,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 25s):

I’m just giving a hard time

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 26s):

Lightning at truck show. No, no, no.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 28s):

That is. Listen, I have not owned one. I had a GMT 800, the 400 I just, to me there are. Yeah, they’re ubiquitous. They’re everywhere. Don’t care. They’re, to me they’re ugly.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 36s):

Even Finnegan just got one and he’s doing it up and it’s fine. Whatever you suck I mean. Hey. All right. I got this anonymous email here.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 43s):

Anonymous. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 45s):

So I’m sorry I can’t help you there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 46s):

This means that it’s about me.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 48s):

They wanted to know how much money you’ve spent protecting your TRX far and above the cost of the TRX.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 55s):

Oh, interesting. Okay. Huh? Does

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 58s):

If you added everything up, I, I with your Ballards and your 12 security systems both on the house, on, on the Compus star, the igla like What Are you at in. Oh, in output. Okay. and I thought that was kind of an interesting one because now I know why You know thinking it that way. I now know why your wife is so angry.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 18s):

Got it. Okay. Three. I’m doing the math really quick. As fast as I can

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 23s):

Include the one that says trespasser wording. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 26s):

Right. That would be two.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 28s):

So you need the camera, need the sensor? Yeah, you need the Ballards. What?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 33s):

What? When you say the camera,

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 35s):

You have a camera that points at your driveway.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 36s):

Yeah, but that was already, that was, that came with the house.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 39s):

All right. I. I didn’t buy that infrared sensor. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 41s):

I got that. Oh, that warning. That was, that was only 25 warning.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 44s):

Yep. And then you’ve got the Compus star system with the GPS tracker. Add-on. You’ve got the Igla, you’ve got the taser, you’ve got the film for your back window. You’ve got the headache rack. Wow. When you start saying it out loud like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 58s):

This, wait, I I don’t have the headache rack yet.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 60s):

We add it on there. There. That’s the whole point of you doing it right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 3s):

Oh wait, do we count the PA system? Yes. Because that’s kind of an, that’s not, I didn’t get it for that reason, but I

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 7s):

No, but you tied your alarm system into it. I did,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 9s):

But yeah, so

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 10s):

You gotta keys count

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 10s):

That too. Okay. So that was,

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 12s):

By the way, I was standing with Lightning’s kid in the driveway and he’s like, Oh dude, I gotta move The truck over like three feet. And he and I were standing there watching Lightning do like A B, BA up, down, up, down. And we were just giggling it, how, how hard it is just to get in and drive it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 29s):

Oh geez. I didn’t count the Igl in here too. Hold on. I said the I glove. You know what I but I wasn’t doing it. My math. Oh that’s another, oh Jesus, $8,875

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 40s):

And that’s with discounts on everything.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 42s):

Yeah, I’m sure I’m forgetting some stuff in there

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 44s):

Too. I, I’m sure that’s, I’m sure that’s not could full retail on your bollards and your install

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 47s):

I I I Bet you could easily round up to about $9,500. No I

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 50s):

I bet without discounts. You’re probably in the 12 to 13 range

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 54s):

If you I think these are kind of retail ish

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 57s):

No

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 57s):

Way You know

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 58s):

Retail. Nope. Did you put Rich’s labor in there and and rent and renting the machine? Yeah, I did. He told me what it was per hole. Yeah, he gave a great deal. No, no, I know. He told me what retail per hole is and it, well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 9s):

The rest of stuffs not happening. You round up. I’m just shy of 10 grand. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 13s):

I think you’re over

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 14s):

I I. I’m just, I just did the quick math napkin math. I’m, this feels really crappy and it’s still gonna get broken into in some freaking mall parking lot. I can almost guarantee it. Whatever. Whatever. Y’all suck. Oh man. I could have bought another fricking truck with that money.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 39s):

I think that’s what your wife wanted you to do.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 41s):

No, I mean, I could have, could have bought another truck. Yeah. No. and I like kept the T Rx and just bought another one to prepare when the T Rx just isn’t in my driveway anymore. This should an ugly turn. Can we end the show now? Just

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 54s):

End it. I I. There’s no re there’s no reviving it at this point.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 57s):

Holy mackerel. Lightning at truck show podcast dot com if you wanna pile on or I’m at at LBC Lightning and he’s at Sean. P Holman on the gram. If you want to hit ’em up.

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Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 15s):

And we want to hear from you. Whether you email us at Truck show podcast at gmail dot com, holden at truck show podcast dot com. Lightning at truck show podcast dot com or give us a call on the five star hotline, 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5 and leave us your thoughts. We love to hear from our listeners and love making you part of the show.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 33s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 18s):

Featured products truck show podcast dot com. Headed to head to the featured products tab and then you will see the writeup on the My new favorite soldering iron. And guys,

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 28s):

Will you please head on over to Spotify or Apple, leave us some reviews. It’s been a while, we haven’t had any funny reviews to to read. So give us a five star review and we will read it on the show. If you leave us something worth talking about while you’re on the website, check out our events tab, see if there’s anything happening in your neck of the woods. Okay, Lighting, we have to thank Nissan on our presenting sponsor who make awesome pickup product. Don’t

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 49s):

Have to want to.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 50s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 17s):

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Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 42s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 19s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 44s):

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