Season 2, Episode 106 - Casey Brammer from Koch-Chemie USA at the Pod Shed talks Car Care Products

 

 

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Sean P. Holman (0s):

You know, Lightning guy was spending some time up at the, the ranch with my uncle a couple weeks ago. He has this truck I’ve known I. I knew when he bought it and I hadn’t seen it in a while. ’cause he doesn’t use it all the time. It’s one of those trucks that you kinda like, it’s just always there. Right. It’s like, it’s like in the background and you just, just part of the scenery. And it was parked along the trail leading up to the barn and I was like, damn, I remember when you bought it. It’s a 2000 Ford Super Duty seven three long bed. Wow. Extended Cab four by four. Yes. But he has the old royal bed on it that has the body lines of the original truck. Okay. But with all the drawers in the side. Yeah. Oh dude, it’s awesome. and I, I hadn’t I.

Sean P. Holman (41s):

I hadn’t really thought about it. I’ve been in The truck with my uncle before.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (44s):

Runs doesn’t run. What’s the status? No.

Sean P. Holman (45s):

Completely runs. And he bought it. The reason he never sold is he convinced Ford back in 2000 when he bought it to give him a lifetime oil change as part of his contract No way. And he still has it. He still gets free oil changes. No,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (58s):

He, he doesn’t. So

Sean P. Holman (59s):

I asked him, because I was curious, I’m

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 1s):

Like, how many oil changes has he had? Do you have any idea? Well

Sean P. Holman (1m 4s):

Just check this out. So I asked him, I said, those trucks are getting really expensive. He goes, Oh man, I love that thing.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 8s):

Is it Bone Stock?

Sean P. Holman (1m 11s):

Oh yeah, totally. Bone stock. He’s, it’s got the cool five spokes Superduty wheels on it. If

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 15s):

Only I knew someone that had parts for that truck. Well, hold

Sean P. Holman (1m 18s):

On. Okay. Hold on. So I don’t even know if he would let you put parts on it. I think I think he, he loves it the way it is. Okay. Fair enough. And I’m sitting there going, man, that’s a nice truck. Right. And you know how much

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 29s):

This truck does not come as part of the inheritance to the, the Holman Foundation.

Sean P. Holman (1m 34s):

I know I, I haven. It I have

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 35s):

It because you’re gonna get the ranch at some point, right?

Sean P. Holman (1m 37s):

Well, no, I mean, I I did not, we’ve never discussed the The truck. I and I would be, I would. Well

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 43s):

You can’t take it to the grave. What’s he gonna do?

Sean P. Holman (1m 45s):

Listen, stop it. Thi this is an embarrassment of riches if that were included because let me, I’m gonna pull up a picture of The truck. A

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 51s):

Pristine 2004 seven three. Okay. Damn

Sean P. Holman (1m 56s):

Right. One owner bought brand new. Yeah. By the

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1m 58s):

Way, it is The Truck. Show Podcast. I’m Lightning. And he’s Holman

Sean P. Holman (2m 2s):

All. right. Look at this beauty right

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 3s):

Here. All. right. Opening it up. Check his iPhone. And what? And

Sean P. Holman (2m 5s):

You can’t get that bed anymore.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 6s):

Oh my gosh. This thing was in a time capsule

Sean P. Holman (2m 11s):

And he just had it repainted. So the paint is, is completely perfect.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 14s):

Brand new four by four off road sticker. I see

Sean P. Holman (2m 16s):

Where. did you get that? He bought it from Ford.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 19s):

Okay, dude. I mean, now Hold

Sean P. Holman (2m 21s):

On a second. How many miles do you think is on The truck?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 23s):

His shell is silly looking. You gotta pull the shell off stuff. That’s ridiculous. That’s

Sean P. Holman (2m 26s):

It’s a work truck. Yeah. I

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 27s):

Know it’s What. the shell is silly. Looking

Sean P. Holman (2m 28s):

How much, how many miles do you think is on The truck?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 31s):

Oh, well now I know you’re setting me up for it. I’m gonna say 35,000.

Sean P. Holman (2m 36s):

104,000 miles.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 38s):

Okay, that’s great. That’s nothing. 24

Sean P. Holman (2m 40s):

Years. Do you know how those trucks have 250,000 miles on ’em and they’re doing like 30 grand or something like that for first generation super duties. Right. Dude, it’s crazy. I’m looking at him, I’m like, Hey, just outta curiosity, how many miles? He like, ah, just a little over a hundred. I’m like, one 50, no, 1 0 4. I’m

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (2m 56s):

Like, what?

Sean P. Holman (2m 57s):

What? I know. I’m like, do you even understand the gold mine that you’re driving up to the ranch all

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 1s):

The time? How’s the interior? It’s

Sean P. Holman (3m 2s):

Perfect. They have like the the dash cover on it.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 5s):

The dash mat. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (3m 6s):

And then they’ve got the, the seat covers on it. ’cause they got a a, a dog that goes with it. It’s like, it’s perfect.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 12s):

Wow.

Sean P. Holman (3m 12s):

I’m just like, man, what a time machine. I

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 14s):

Hope that I don’t want him to kick the bucket anytime soon. But when he does, I hope he leads it to you.

Sean P. Holman (3m 19s):

Well, I don’t know if that actually takes, because

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 21s):

You’re The truck guy. Thank

Sean P. Holman (3m 22s):

You for saying that or not. I I love my uncle and I I. Hope he is around for another 30, 40

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 27s):

Years. No, he’s in good health. But I’m saying like, he’s, he’s kind of prepping things,

Sean P. Holman (3m 30s):

Dude. Right, dude, he would kick your ass.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 32s):

I I’m sure you would.

Sean P. Holman (3m 32s):

Dude, seriously, like you have, the guy is 85 years old. He gets up and he’s working from six to like three in the afternoon. We were up there pouring concrete and it’s 102 degrees out there.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 43s):

I’ve seen, I’ve seen photos of him mean he’s an ass kicker.

Sean P. Holman (3m 45s):

He, he is like, no joke. Like that dude is anybody who’s 20 listening to this podcast right now, he would kick your ass if it came to anything physical or doing anything.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (3m 55s):

And he’s

Sean P. Holman (3m 55s):

80, 85. 85. Dude, I hope when I’m 85 that I’m able to do that. Like just,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (4m 3s):

You think you’re gonna last 85?

Sean P. Holman (4m 4s):

No. That’s why I said I hope

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (4m 6s):

I, I’ve been telling everyone I’m gonna be dead at 60.

Sean P. Holman (4m 8s):

I’ve got a good I,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (4m 10s):

Got a few years left and I’m gonna just, I’ve got

Sean P. Holman (4m 12s):

One or two good decades ahead of me and that’s about it. Yeah. Maybe half a decade.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (4m 17s):

All. right. What do we have on the show today?

Sean P. Holman (4m 19s):

Well, I believe we have K from KCX.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (4m 22s):

Yes. So yeah, Casey and I go way back. He’s a fan of the radio station that I used to work at. So we’ve always talked through social media and such. He is at a company called Chemy, that’s KOCH, chemi, C-H-E-M-I-E. And they’re a German company that makes detailing supplies, but not just any detailing supplies. As far as I know, they’re the brand preferred by Porsche

Sean P. Holman (4m 45s):

And professionals. Very high end stuff. So it’ll be interesting to have him come in and talk about what makes them different. But I I know that the European luxury car market, they use the Koch Hemi stuff quite a bit. So

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (4m 56s):

Casey’s actually gonna be in studio with us. But before we get to Casey, we’ve got Thank Nissan. That’s

Sean P. Holman (5m 1s):

Right. The. Truck Show Podcast is presented by Nissan. And if you’re in the market for a brand new mid-size truck, you want to head on down to your local Nissan dealership where you can check out the Nissan Frontier with 310 horsepower standard. Woo.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (5m 13s):

Yeah. That’s what you do. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (5m 14s):

You’re gonna Woo woo woo woo.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (5m 16s):

Yeah. Two horsepower standard

Sean P. Holman (5m 17s):

I like that from a 3.8 liter V six. Yes. So it’s not a small turbocharge four

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (5m 21s):

Cylinder no. And a great transmission.

Sean P. Holman (5m 23s):

Nine speed automatic. It’s great. If you want to spec one out to exactly how you need it, go to Nissan usa dot com. Of course, you can Test Drive at your local dealership or even do the Nissan at Home program. We love the Frontier. It’s one of the bestselling mid-sized trucks in America.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (5m 37s):

And when your friend Holman has a Baja Storm Nissan Frontier and you’re in the, in his driveway and you steal the keys and you go out to Johnson Valley and you romping it for a little while, I would suggest doing that. Is that too specific?

Sean P. Holman (5m 49s):

Where’s my Nissan frontier again? Oh, that’s right. It’s at the dealership. Yes. Nissan usa dot com.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (5m 54s):

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Sean P. Holman (6m 27s):

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Jay “Lighting” Tilles (7m 10s):

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It’s The truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (8m 21s):

In studio. Mr. Casey. Brammer from Koch Kemi, otherwise known as KCX. And you just stepped into the, the pod shed and you were about to tell us about it and I stopped you so well you

Sean P. Holman (8m 32s):

Tried to stop him.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (8m 32s):

Well, yeah. Well I tried.

Sean P. Holman (8m 33s):

I got a sense of where he stands

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (8m 34s):

On it. What are your feelings about the pod shed? This is your first time in it.

Casey Brammer (8m 38s):

It’s, it’s gorgeous. I mean, honestly, this facility’s way bigger than I thought it was. It doesn’t do it justice listening in on the air. But when you’re in here, you got some room acs on. Yeah, I just left 105 degrees. So 74 in here is perfect.

Sean P. Holman (8m 51s):

Got a nice 42 inch TV on the wall there and I got whiskey behind you. And we’ve got, well Lightning sits over there.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (8m 58s):

Well when he, when he first peeked in before while you were still in the house, he’s like, oh, he is got a lot of whiskey

Sean P. Holman (9m 3s):

Over here. It’s pretty nice. And there’s bunch out there too. So my question is, is it big enough to be, have some space away from Lightning or do you feel on top of him right now? I’m

Casey Brammer (9m 13s):

Not supposed to be on top of them.

Sean P. Holman (9m 13s):

Well, I mean that’s up to you.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (9m 15s):

We’re not even this, we’re wider than in like a full what I’m

Sean P. Holman (9m 18s):

Truck that’s saying this is for people

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (9m 19s):

To, we’re not even touching knees right now. This

Sean P. Holman (9m 20s):

Is for people visualizing the size of the pod shed. That’s all. Yeah. Oh

Casey Brammer (9m 23s):

Yeah. It, there’s an abundance of room compared to what it sounds like.

Sean P. Holman (9m 27s):

That’s interesting that it sounds small when we talk about it because

5 (9m 31s):

That’s what she said.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (9m 33s):

So Casey, before we can start this, we gotta get you into the parts department. Don’t move.

5 (9m 38s):

Welcome to the parts department. Screw nut filter oil grill tools, the pull depart wheels, tires, brakes, lights gears, bells your and your wife warns you not to, don’t do spend our money. And then you wanna come back.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 0s):

Holman where you were in the house earlier and you were taking care of the kids, trying to pipe them down a little bit as you do.

Sean P. Holman (10m 8s):

That’s my, no, I’m the one who riles them up. Oh, is that

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 11s):

What? the deal is

Sean P. Holman (10m 11s):

My wife is

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 12s):

The, you rile ’em up and Oh really?

Sean P. Holman (10m 13s):

Yeah, she’s, she’s the bad guy.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 14s):

You’re the Disneyland dad.

Sean P. Holman (10m 15s):

That’s right. I’m not. I’m the fun parent. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 18s):

So you were inside and Casey and I were bonding over music. He and I I

Sean P. Holman (10m 21s):

Thought you were bonding over chili dogs.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 22s):

Now were

Sean P. Holman (10m 23s):

You so rude that you didn’t even offer him one of your three or four chili dogs? I

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 27s):

Had planned to beat him to the pod shed. Yes. and I was going to, it did not happen. No it didn’t. He got here early, so, and I pulled up behind him. I’m like, he’s already here and I don’t have food for him. Yeah, but I did. I mean I offered you food. Did I not

Sean P. Holman (10m 39s):

I know, but that’s not our guess.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 41s):

But I, but I normally, we don’t hang out with the guests prior. They just roll in and they come into the studio and we go, I didn’t think Casey

Sean P. Holman (10m 46s):

Would all two of ’em that have been here.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 48s):

Well we’ve had more than

Sean P. Holman (10m 48s):

That. Well, and Johnny, we had cigars after in whiskey.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (10m 51s):

I’m just, well that wasn’t pre, I wasn’t thinking about food. I’m gonna, now, from now on, I’m gonna offer all future guests. Wiener schnitzel. Tell us why you’re here. So I I, guess we need to start with. Well that seems, no, no. Whenever we have

Sean P. Holman (11m 3s):

Guests, that’s what Lighting usually says. Why are you here?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (11m 5s):

Why are you here? How’d you get in here? Yeah, go

Sean P. Holman (11m 7s):

Away.

Casey Brammer (11m 7s):

The gate was open. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (11m 9s):

Exactly. Mr. Chili dog guy’s hands were twofold to shut the gate behind him. Is that what happened?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (11m 13s):

And he just snuck in. Exactly. You have been with a company called Chemie, but it’s spelled Koch. KOCH. Yes. Right. Yes. This is a very high end detail. Well I should say detailers first detail product, meaning it, although consumers can use it. Yes. It’s largely consumed and used by professionals. Professionals,

Sean P. Holman (11m 35s):

Yeah. More B2B kind of stuff. Yeah. A lot of

Casey Brammer (11m 37s):

Professionals love it for, you know, advanced chemicals and that of dilution ratio. Something they work on on their side. Whereas consumers love stuff that’s ready to use and that’s where we kind of narrate ours with blue bottles would be consumer friendly. Okay. They’re

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (11m 50s):

To use. So you’re already jumping in the ratios and everything else. Like Yeah, I won’t, we gotta back. I won’t too far into math. No, no, no, no, no. We want you to, because our, our audience enjoys it. Who is Chemy? What are they about? Is this a new company? An old company? I know the answer, but I’m setting you up. Yeah. Because lot of our listeners don’t.

Casey Brammer (12m 5s):

Yeah. So as a company, been in business for 56 years, our products are blended and engineered in Germany, then they come stateside and we supply all of our top end distributors throughout the United States. And, you know, it it, the high line, you know, it’s, it’s phenomenal product. You know, we are authorized by Porsche, Mercedes, and a lot of what I call, you know, premium manufacturers themselves, which also endorse the product. So it’s something that, you know, gives the best results with, in my situation, the least amount of work when you use pro chemicals pre correctly,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (12m 36s):

We’ve had a lot of both detail product companies, manufacturers here, some who make their own products, some who formulate, but they have them made by other manufacturers. Right. They come up with a formula and then they have a a, a third party white

Sean P. Holman (12m 51s):

Label, third party

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (12m 51s):

White label. Right. White whatever. And then we’ve had the detailers themselves on the show as well. So the million dollar question is how is chemi different

Casey Brammer (12m 59s):

From top level having, you know, onsite chemist and everything being, you know, let’s say brewed in house. I mean, you know, the, the chemicals themselves. Like we had a newer product that was released just a month ago and it took 18 months to come to fruition. So it’s something that, it’s not struck by accident. It’s something that goes through a lot of processes because they’re global. You know, it’s something that has to work not only here in Huntington Beach, but also Las Vegas in 120 degree this last weekend. So there’s a lot of variables. Having the, the right team and then everything else. You know, being able to have the chemist do stuff in-house and pro and produce everything, you know, in, let’s call it KCX City. There’s seven buildings all in one spot in Una. So you can get everything done A to Z in where?

Casey Brammer (13m 41s):

Una, Germany. Okay. Yeah. So you can have everything done A to Z within one spot. You know, I flew out there and was trained in our competence center. So went through the whole lineup in person at the factory, got to see, you know, call it behind the curtain, all the, all the fancy stuff that goes on over there. You know, even having a, a robot in, in house to be able to refine and a sure. Product development in, in a good way.

Sean P. Holman (14m 6s):

So I’m kind of curious too, being a global company, obviously there’s regional restrictions on chemical usage. You guys are doing things that eventually make their way into the storm drain and go into the, the the water or here in Huntington Beach or storm drains go to the ocean. So are you having to deal with local regulations all over the world where you sell it? How do you make sure that a product design and manufacture to be the best in Germany works in la?

Casey Brammer (14m 31s):

Yeah, well great question. So without going too far into every piece of raw good overall is having compliance to be shipping to California is the biggest thing. Yeah. So, you know, having regulatory,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (14m 42s):

Is that one of the hardest places in the, in the globe?

Casey Brammer (14m 44s):

I mean if you think about it, it’s just like emissions. I mean it’s something that, you know, the standards are kind of set over here on the west coast. And at the same end, you know, as a company in Germany, you gotta make sure that it’s compliant here. ’cause instead of having a product that, you know, yes, I’m in sales, I wouldn’t want to have something that I can sell to 49 states. Right. It really makes no sense. But at the same end, if it’s compliant here, it, it ups the safety factor to that of, of consumers because they, they can relate to the fact of how much restrictions are imposed in the state.

Sean P. Holman (15m 9s):

And California has to be one of the biggest markets anyway just because the car culture here and it being, you know, sunny all the time and good weather people are out, you know, and they really take care of their car. Whereas in some parts of the country, your nice car might be garage six months outta the year. Correct.

Casey Brammer (15m 22s):

Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (15m 23s):

People are here using it all the time, every day. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (15m 25s):

Yeah. And, and at the same end, they also have more of a, a diverse collection. Here somebody will have a, you know, A TRX and a Porsche. I mean like there, there’s a lot of diversity or

Sean P. Holman (15m 32s):

T Rx and Mercedes I mean I’ll be an old one. But, so here’s what’s interesting though is is you know, you look at the mixed cars, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had somebody from the Midwest who, you know, a friend of mine come into town, whether it’s Detroit, especially Chicago, that that part Rust belt where they come and they’re like, oh my God, look, it’s a whatever. I haven’t seen one of those in a decade. And then it’s a 15-year-old car. Yeah. And then they see a 30-year-old car just driving. Like normally it’s like a, it’s a 87 Honda Accord and they’re I, haven’t seen one of those. And you know, hey, that’s one of those Hondas with popup headlights or No

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (16m 3s):

Way a C Rx what that explodes

Sean P. Holman (16m 6s):

Or, or a, a first generation ranger or something like that that hasn’t completely returned to the earth. So it’s always fun when one of my friends comes out here and they just look, you know, regular driving. It’s like one minute some exotic, then you got some crazy, you know, electric, then you got something mainstream, then you have something that is none of those things. It’s just old and they just haven’t seen one since high school or something on the road. They’re like, you guys still have those out here? It’s a, it’s a Chevy Cavalier. You know, it’s just, it’s crazy.

Casey Brammer (16m 34s):

Yep. No, it’s true. I mean, but that’s also, you know, when it comes to the chemicals, you’re, you’re wanting to have something to help preserve the cars. Well we have, you know, great weather out here at the same end. It’s something, you know, I use the analogy in a high UV index. The products themselves are kinda like sunblock for the car. So if you’re not maintaining your vehicle, if it’s fading and stuff like that’s happening over time, it’s not necessarily the paint’s fault or the interior’s fault, just the fact that it’s not been maintained regularly.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (16m 57s):

So let’s zero base this and go back to the chemicals that are in the KCX and we’re gonna call it from instead, instead of calling it chemi, we’re gonna call it KCX from All. right.

Casey Brammer (17m 9s):

Got the

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (17m 9s):

Logo right here. So Yep.

Sean P. Holman (17m 11s):

On shirt. So KC from KC makes it really easy

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (17m 13s):

From KCX. Exactly. Okay. So Casey, let’s talk about the raw goods, the chemicals, the whatever’s going into these materials. How does KC X’S materials differ from a mother’s or some other brand or a McGuire’s, whatever? Yeah, because those are household names in Southern California.

Sean P. Holman (17m 32s):

And by the way, and I Orange County based mother’s is down the street here and just down the freeway is McGuires Irv.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (17m 37s):

Exactly. And you had that. We have Adams polishes, we have so many around city polishes

Sean P. Holman (17m 41s):

Right

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (17m 42s):

Up here. Chemical. Chemical guys. Chemical guys.

Sean P. Holman (17m 43s):

Gardena,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (17m 44s):

I’m not trying to stay you up against competitors, but you know, though you grew up in Southern California, you know what you’re up against, right? Yeah. So then having flown and spent time in Germany learning about the product line and really understanding it, how is it different and or better? Because, and I I relate to, because I work for banks as everyone knows, and our products are often a little more expensive. Not absurdly, but a little more expensive than the competitors. And we have, we, we justify it. Like we have all this RD we have blah, blah blah, blah. I would assume it’s the same thing for k for for chemi. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (18m 18s):

In in a similar sense. You know, because you’re, you’re not only just a global brand, but you know, with our community, we have right here in our backyard, our raw goods are supplied globally. So they’re able to test different products in different formulations to come up with the end product, which will be used either by the detailers or consumers themselves. Overall just really taking the time to sort through stuff and see what’s next and why you would go a certain route. You know, like we just had on the professional side had a new compound come out and it’s a new revision and we’ve been able to utilize different raw goods to get the finish we’re looking for. Whether it’s something that you’re trying to have less dust or whatever the pain points are, the team takes a lot of time to assure that those pain points are covered to where the end user, whether it’s professional or a consumer, is getting a better experience.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (19m 4s):

I guess what I’m asking poorly, but I’m trying is that take two polishes All, right? They’re supposed to do similar things. Yeah. And there are, you offer quite a few different polishes for different things. But let’s take two that are marketed the same way. What would the differences be? What would I expect that the differences could be between those products? Meaning the base materials, whatever the grit is in that polish?

Casey Brammer (19m 29s):

Well, in breaking it down into, let’s say something that is a cut into a polish will have aluminum oxide in it, which is the raw good that is breaking down and you have different grades of that raw good. So in in product development, having something to where you’re getting a grade products and then working with how they basically blend in and work together with the other components over time is really, you know, where you’ll have differences. You know, it’s hard to say who, what brand has what raw good. But at the same end, the finished product that we’re, we’re producing and using regularly will have what is in the industry of paint points being covered. You know, like you’re saying polishes, a lot of people have used polish and I’m not naming brands, but it’s chalky or dusty or whatever it may be.

Casey Brammer (20m 8s):

That’s something that’s part of the experience. And if you’re taking more time wiping a panel off, whether you’re prepping to wax it or you’re gonna do ceramic coating, that’s more work our side is to make your boost, your efficiency with having, you know, whether it’s a, in this case a, a polish or a compound that’s easier one to wipe off, less dusting. And again, taking time on the pain points that usually consumers or even details are looking at covering the pain points first. You know. So

Sean P. Holman (20m 33s):

Would you say like a pain point for example, is automotive pain from the factory today sucks? A lot of it is really thin, especially the clear coats. So you don’t have as many polishing opportunities over the lifespan of the car without going through the clear that you, you might have had 15 or 20 years ago. Correct. And it seems like the, the cost cutting, it seems like the metals aren’t as good as they used to be. So there’s more corrosion that comes up underneath the paint. And it seems like the paint for, for emission standards are, are a lot of ’em are waterborne and then you’ve got a clear that’s a lot thinner than it used to be because they’re trying to shave, you know, fractions of a penny off every car if they’re making a million cars a year. Those are all things that the detailer has to keep in mind.

Sean P. Holman (21m 13s):

So he doesn’t burn through that thin coat that’s on that car. Correct.

Casey Brammer (21m 17s):

Yeah. And it’s also like out of the gate with newer vehicles, you know, it’s recommended to whether you ceramic coated or you guys done PPF and vehicles, stuff like that. Put some sort of barrier on the vehicle ’cause that’s actually gonna be protecting the clear coat ’cause the vehicle is at substrate color then clear whatever you’re staffing stacking on top of that is now your sacrificial or protection barrier for it. And that’s something that we, you know, we don’t just advise, but it’s done, you know, you know regularly by everybody on our team, let alone that’s what detailers are out there doing. But you know, having product that’s easy to use, even something on the consumer line of like a nano magic shampoo, that’s something that technically is adding a little bit of protection to the vehicle by just washing the car. So it’s something that’s giving a little bit of a UV index, you know, UV blocking to the vehicle while adding hydrophobics beating on the vehicle.

Casey Brammer (22m 0s):

So there’s a lot of areas that yeah. Kind of cross, cross over each other. But you’re right. You know, having a thinner amount of paint stacked is, is a high level point. And that’s why even working with friends or family’s cars, you know, people I’ve worked with over the years is I’m only doing X amount of polishing of the car. Not ’cause I’m lazy, I’m just trying to preserve your vehicle. Yeah. And by polishing it’s something that now that it’s at a nice level, then you want to put protection on it. Whether it’s

Sean P. Holman (22m 24s):

Yeah. Then you want that. Yeah, you want that sacrificial layer then and that’s what you want to keep up. You wanna keep as much of that sacrificial layer on top of it then having to go and do a full polish once a year or, I mean we all know what you should be doing, but you also have to judge that against the lifetime of the car and how long you intend to keep. And then obviously you get different colors Yep. React differently and look differently and lay differently. And it’s, it’s, there’s a definitely a nuance to it.

Casey Brammer (22m 49s):

Yeah. I mean, and, and semen, you know, it’s kind of bridging the gap between let’s say professionals and consumers. That’s an area that’s, that’s unique. Being able to have something that the pros love because they’re, they’re boosting their efficiency and they’re getting great cost per use out of it. But then relative, you know, being relative let’s say with the blue bottles for consumers is having, you know, like I look at my own regimen when I was younger, I was working on the car on my dad’s car, you know, you’re talking a sponge, a beach towel dish. So you know what I mean? And how that evolved to being with a Highline product company. But everybody has where they started and then the learning process going through it. That’s why to me it was easy with let’s say the blue bottles themselves of being something that’s only 10 skews instead of being 400. You know, and that’s kind of where in a lot of cases customers get lost, they go into areas which even bid box shops have a nice detail area and there’s some good products there.

Casey Brammer (23m 36s):

There’s some heavy hitters, but the same end, there’s a lot of confusion. Yeah. You know, and that’s something we’re trying to make it a little bit easier. Here’s 10 items and, and here’s how they work. And even on the bottle has graphics of what it gets applied to. So it’s very straightforward, you know, and but again, you know, just trying to make it an easier regiment for everybody to, let’s say, work on their car. You know, whether it’s just their, their Sunday break, you know, time to one, maintain their vehicle and get outta the household. I mean it’s kind of a win-win.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (24m 2s):

Now compared to your competitors, we talked about the white label and the guys that don’t blend their own stuff. Kmi is a blend house, meaning the, all the raw goods show up at that factory. Correct. And they’re making what you buy in the bottle Yeah. Is made there. Yeah. I, I kind of like it liken it to, to Red Bull. Everything is made at Red Bull. Like every can of Red Bull in the US and around the world is all bottled, or I should say canned. And in Austria it all comes over on sea containers. And so there is no Red Bull made here that I’m aware of. It’s still

Sean P. Holman (24m 33s):

So they don’t have that was the owners, they don’t have like Mexican Coke?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (24m 36s):

No, they do not have no

Sean P. Holman (24m 37s):

Coke now. Okay, well hold on, let me, let me fix that because if you’re not from Southern California, Mexican Coke may sound like the, the wrong kind. Right? Right. This

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (24m 45s):

Is No, it might

Sean P. Holman (24m 47s):

Kind. So, so Coke for example, has bottling plants all over the world and if you’ve traveled the world, or even, I dunno if they saw that in Vegas, they had it where you could taste Coke’s formulation from all over the world on there on the strip. And it’s amazing how different Coke is in in different places. It’s not the same formulation everywhere. Here in southern California, we have Mexican coke available, which comes in liter glass bottles.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (25m 8s):

You, you gotta know what you’re looking for, you

Sean P. Holman (25m 9s):

Gotta know what you’re looking for. Usually it’s in the taco shops and things like that. And that is, that’s like a, a huge treat for us because it’s made with real sugar, not corn syrup. It’s, that’s like a treat. So again, going back to your Red Bull reference, there’s not bottling plants is what you’re saying. Everything comes out of the quality control of one location. Although if they had bottling plants, you might have Mexican Red Bull could be pretty good.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (25m 31s):

That’s true. It’s true. So I bring that up because I think that speaks volumes about the, the process by which it’s curated, blended manufactured, and the quality control all the way through to you. Yes to to us here in southern California. I I think, whereas the other guys who knows where it’s coming from, it’s a friend of mine is in the haircare industry and half the haircare industry, whether it’s shampoos, colors, all that stuff and I don’t know that much about it. My wife was into it. Most of the popular brands just come up with the, the color or the scent or their, what they wanted to do and they pay a formulation house or a blender to come up with it or a chemist. And then they are just a marketing company that happens to own a brand and then it’s manufactured in one warehouse, it’s drop shipped to a distributor and then it ends up on the store shelves.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (26m 20s):

They don’t even do anything with it. They’re not, you know, they oversee it, it’s their brand name and all that, but like they’re kind of disconnected from it. Yeah. Like actually disconnected from it. Whereas chemi, they’re, they’re making it soup to nuts. Purely vertical.

Casey Brammer (26m 31s):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s everything done in house, you know, and again, you know, we have one warehouse which raw goods would come in, then it goes through the manufacturing portion, then everything that’s made here for the states would get to, yeah. Load in a container and then shipped over to Georgia then from Georgia to our, our, our customers throughout the United States.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (26m 46s):

Okay. Who came up with the color coding system and what does that mean?

Casey Brammer (26m 50s):

So that’s a great question. I don’t know exactly who came up with the color coding coding system, but for our professionals it works very well because it does it by category. So a lot of customers out there, whether they’re scaling a detail shop or mobile or it’s easier to do standard operate, standardized operating procedures do SOPs by colorways. So when somebody’s gonna, let’s say wash their car with a shampoo, they’re a yellow label. So it’s easier to identify and also work with through processes. You know, red would be something that’s usually utilized for like wheels. It’s something that has a higher, let’s say, cut to it, whether it’s alkaline or an acid. So like every label itself has its colorway to make it easier for relation to the product.

Casey Brammer (27m 31s):

You know, I, I’ve been in areas helping out people with trainings and it’s just easier for me to go, Hey, can you grab that red bottle right there than they hand it on over? But identifying it by classification, it makes it something that that works well for. You know, like in this case we’re talking about what we call our white bottles, which is professional line when pros are going into these different distribution locations for them to know what category they’re wanting to get something from. You know, so we kind of dive into it. And that’s something that usually when I’m at doing, performing a training for dealers, distributors and or let’s say the actual detailers themselves, it’s just decoding what they are in that aha moment of okay teal it’s a protectant. Okay, well it’s easy to know what I’m gonna be pick up for that, that stage. Do

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (28m 9s):

You hand out little, like credit card size, like cheater things that have all the color codes and say what they are?

Casey Brammer (28m 14s):

No, we go through, I mean honestly we go through the line really well. It’s pretty extensive, but at the same end, you know, in a two hour conversation, you know, of going through the lineup, majority of the guys have already used the product, but now it’s kind of adding to their mix. You know, again, talking pain points earlier, like one item product we have called gummy fix or GOF is What. the logo is, it’s on a teal bottle for protectant for rubber mats. You know, high level. We have a lot of trucks, a lot of rubber mats and rubber mats are coming stocking a lot of vehicles. Yeah. The main thing is, is is having something that is after it’s clean, it’s protected, but it’s a non-slip. So again it’s going back to pain points. Having something that’s unique and out of the gate. I mean that thing’s become one of the best sellers in the lineup because it, nobody else has something on it. Do

Sean P. Holman (28m 53s):

You remember back when armor all was like, you’d have a vinyl interior and you’d have all weather mats and you’d have a vinyl dad so slick and you would get in after getting your car detailed and you’d go around the first corner and you’d be like trying to hold yourself in the seat ’cause everything was slick.

Casey Brammer (29m 6s):

Yeah, yeah. I mean like dating myself, going back with my, my, my grandma to 70 Chevelle in the back seat of that.

Sean P. Holman (29m 11s):

No seatbelt. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (29m 13s):

We get on the 6 0 5 freeway, she’s going around the

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (29m 15s):

Cloverleaf and you’re like, ah, you’re all piled into one corner. Whatcha

Sean P. Holman (29m 18s):

Are you sitting over there Sunny?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (29m 20s):

Although that was really cool if you were with like the girl that you had the crush on and you’re like squashed up and hip to hip.

Casey Brammer (29m 25s):

Totally

Sean P. Holman (29m 26s):

An accident.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (29m 27s):

Exactly. Is the company geared more toward the professional or is it, was it that direction and now it’s branching into consumer or what’s that mix look like?

Casey Brammer (29m 37s):

So I mean, a majority of it would be on the professional end. But we’ve had, with the growth, especially with various YouTubers and a lot of, you know, end users are, are savvy on the DIY side. So there’s more prosumers out there in a lot of cases and they’ve been adopting the product very well. Also detail centric. It’s something that is really, professionals love it. They swear to it, you know, it, it’s,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (29m 57s):

And why and why is that? Because that’s how, when I started watching you, your tutorials and I wanna talk about your maverick that you drove out here. But I also watched you, you were in somewhere like San Diego and you, well, we’ll go through that maverick. Like you made it over. It was incredible. Well, I guess what’s the allure for a, a professional? Why this brand other than your color coding and ease of use? Yeah. Why do they find it better than one of the other brands that we’ve mentioned?

Casey Brammer (30m 19s):

I mean, honestly, a lot of them utilize it for like earlier when I was talking about dilution ratios. They can get one bottle, which is one liter and depending on what application they’re using it for, cutting it one to five, one to 10, one to 20. Playing with dilution ratios. That one bottle stretches. So cost per use is very low for the professionals.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (30m 35s):

But don’t other brands do that? Or No,

Casey Brammer (30m 36s):

Not to the same ratios. I mean there, there are a lot of good products out there, but ours and form factor wise, you know, you know like a lot of the videos we’re talking about earlier, the, the guys out there saying you can clean the interior car for 7 cents or 17 cents, I mean with the amount of chemicals you’re using. And that again is ’cause the dilution ratio side.

Sean P. Holman (30m 56s):

And I would think that would be better. Right? You want less chemical on the inside. Let’s say it’s the inside of your car, you’re living, you’re breathing, it gets hot, it gets cold, you probably don’t want anything offgassing or things like that. You want to make the surface clean and and protect it. But you don’t wanna be living in that unless

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (31m 11s):

You’re trying to seal in that new car smell. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (31m 13s):

Well, I mean because interiors, because the touch points, because we have oils in our, in our skin lotions, different touch points. These high

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (31m 20s):

Highline, oh, remind me to ask you about

Sean P. Holman (31m 21s):

That. My wife’s hands from hand sanitizer from Covid. Yeah. Her shift knob is is yellow. No, it’s just all the clear coat on it. Blistered is all, all eaten up and like cracked now it’s still smooth through the touch, but it, the hand sanitizer leches underneath and basically destroyed the finish on the, on the gear selector. Interesting. So, which is metal that has like a clear coat on it?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (31m 43s):

Yeah, my mother and I don’t know if it’s a lotion she uses on her arms or whatnot, but like her, everything she touches turns yellow. Like all the leathers. So the, the passenger seat or the armrest, the passenger like on the door sill, that type of thing. Not the sill but the panel. Like when I bought their mini Cooper, they had a light interior color like gray and it was all, everything she touches turns color. I’m like, what kind of crazy pH balance is going on in your body, mom? I’m like, I don’t know what’s going on there. But is there a way, I guess we’ll have to get into, are there ways to protect from things like that?

Casey Brammer (32m 15s):

Well, I mean, honestly the, when it depends on how much lotion’s being used and how often the vehicle’s occupied. But it, it honestly, it just comes down to maintenance. I mean, ’cause in our regimen green is clean, so you’d use one product to clean it, then the teal to protect it. So the detailers do it in stages ’cause then they know they’re taking as much safely off of the surface and then they’re putting something on there. Again, how we’re take talking sacrificial layer before when you put let’s say a leather conditioner on there, you’re actually only working on the, the top coat of the, the, the seed. It’s not absorbing into weather. Right. But it’s on there to add that barrier, which will resist, let’s say the absorption of oils or the lotion, you know, without being a slick surface, you know, our stuff gives a really natural look. So depth of color. If it’s a black leather seat, it has a nice rich black look to it.

Casey Brammer (32m 56s):

It’s not glossy and slippery like we were talking about earlier. So a lot of, a lot of the areas kind of work back and forth. But mainly when it comes to that, it just would be something saying, if it’s driven a lot, then it just needs to be more of a, of a routine. Whether it’s a weekly cleaning on the interior or something just to where that’s not building up and eating into let’s say the top coat of, of the leather.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (33m 16s):

So I brought up for Singer Maverick, let’s talk about that. You were at, what’s the YouTuber’s name?

Casey Brammer (33m 21s):

Oh, that was I am Josh v? Yes.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (33m 23s):

I. I AM Josh v So really entertaining guy. And he was a professional detailer, correct?

Casey Brammer (33m 28s):

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He still owns a detailing business. Okay.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (33m 30s):

But now he’s primarily a YouTuber and he’s Yes, pretty good at it. And really I like, he’s got just enough opinion. Yeah. You know, because he’s done all this stuff before. So I guess you were at his house I bet

Sean P. Holman (33m 40s):

He didn’t have a pod. She in his backyard. I don’t

Casey Brammer (33m 43s):

Think he did. No

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (33m 43s):

He did not. Yeah. So this is your white maverick, which you had driven in from Vegas or somewhere prior. And it was coated with bug guts on the front. Like everyone, everyone’s experienced. And then you had a sediment or, or like iron or take me through what was, and we all have this in our cars. Yeah. But you were putting it under the camera. You could see it, it was speckles that most people would just be like, well it’s rough and it’s dotted, but I’ll deal with it. You’re like, no, we’re gonna get this stuff out. So can you take us through the process that you went through on that Maverick? Yeah.

Casey Brammer (34m 17s):

Yeah. So great question. So to break it down first, you’re trying to get the bug guts off. So in the case of what we did on that vehicle is we used something called active foam, which is a higher pH. The higher pH is what breaks down the organic. So by using our active foam on the surface, it has more time to dwell. When it’s dwelling, it’s doing the work for you. It’s breaking down the bl the bugs, the bl the blood,

Sean P. Holman (34m 36s):

The guts and, and bugs are awful. So like for example, I’ve got a, a wrangler with lots of slots in the grill. Yeah. And, and lots of, you know, if you look at the headlights, they’re, they’re rounded and then there’s a chamfer in the pocket and then you’ve got the mesh behind the grill driving through the desert, like gonna Las Vegas when the locusts or the butterflies are out. It’s like you come home and you’re like, I just don’t, and they get in every like, like a Jeep doesn’t have

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (35m 1s):

I, wish you could see Holman face. Like, I just

Sean P. Holman (35m 2s):

Don’t want, well, because a Jeep doesn’t have like four mills of panel gap, you know, like where the hood meets the grill. It’s like, you know, 40 mils and there’s bugs shoved all the way to the weather stripping and they’re sort of intact and there’s like one wing flapping that you can see from the driver’s seat still. And yeah, they don’t, they just cook on the front of that thing and they just stay there for the duration. And you like it to get bugs off the front of that thing. It’s, it’s horrible.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (35m 29s):

Well, what’s in in a bug? Well, yeah. What’s in a bug? Organic. No, but I mean it’s like, is it acid or what’s eating into the, into the clear coat?

Casey Brammer (35m 37s):

Well, a lot of product we what, you know, organic wise bugs in, in that of bird droppings is very acidic. So that’s why like usually a a, you can see a bird etching on a hood or a roof is something that was from a dropping that was there too long. And the acidity of it is what etched the clear coat. And that’s kind of like we were talking earlier to protecting newer vehicle out of the gate just to where you have less of those hiccups along the way. You know, saving a few hundred bucks is gonna cost thousands later if you’re really wanting to preserve the car for longevity. You know. And, and that’s why on in the pros when they’re using our product and even even the consumer line having, you know, in the consumer end, we have something that is an insect and dirt remover product. It’s labeled that way instead of telling somebody get this product and do all these fancy dilution ratios.

Casey Brammer (36m 19s):

Right. But it’s something that, that will help break down so you’re not having to physically agitate as much. ’cause when you’re letting the chemical do the work for you, it’s not you being lazy. It’s it breaking down that matter to where in a lot of cases you can just pressure wash it off.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (36m 33s):

And, when you talk about agitated, you were using this all these terms that I hadn heard of before. Like Oh, so yeah. So you have a scrubbing it. Yeah. Scrubbing it. You have like a touchless wash or something. You’ve got all these terms. I’m like, what do you, what what? Yeah. Just like you spray the car, you get it, you get your, your sponge or your shammy or whatever you’re gonna use. And so you had these grillow pads always steal steel s scotch bright. Right? Scotch bright. Right. The purple scotch bright. Absolutely. He is like, well honey, what did you do to my chrome? What?

Casey Brammer (36m 58s):

Oh, you wanted a matte finish. Right, exactly.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (36m 60s):

Yeah.

Casey Brammer (37m 1s):

Brushed

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (37m 1s):

Look is

Casey Brammer (37m 2s):

What I call it there Brush. Yeah, it’s aluminum.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (37m 3s):

Sure. So you spray on your foaming wash that and you say the dwell time, that’s just leaving it all in the vehicle. It’s a

Casey Brammer (37m 12s):

Fancy, yeah. So it’s just sitting there. You just don’t let it dry, you know? And, and a lot of times I’ll get dms that, you know, people ask a question, how long do I have it on there for? I mean, honestly just don’t let it dry. And in the case of like, when we’re doing that, the maverick scene working on that car, 1, 1 1 stage is able to get it off. You know, and, and it’s, it’s easier to me to foam on a product, on a vehicle. ’cause I’m not doing physical labor. I’m just spraying it on the vehicle, allowing it to be on the surface for a moment, pressure wash it off. And if for some reason there’s some remnants behind, I would just foam it again in that spot. You don’t have to foam a whole car. Most of your bugs, like you said, are on the Yeah. The front end of the vehicle. So you’re really trying to get that knocked down. And then, well,

Sean P. Holman (37m 51s):

With one caveat on a Jeep Wrangler at about 85 miles an hour, bugs get in the wind, the Windstream and you think, oh, they’re gonna splat into the windshield. No, it’s freaky. What they do is they come right at the A pillar. They miss the a pillar and get slammed right into the side windows. I’ve never owned a vehicle where I have as many bugs on my side windows smeared as I do on my windshield.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (38m 14s):

I’ve never heard of such a thing.

Sean P. Holman (38m 16s):

Oh, it’s crazy. You’ll be driving and it, you’ll hear thud, thud and you’re like, oh. And you look over and there’s, there’s smearing down the sides of your what side windows, right?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (38m 23s):

Like to your shoulders, basically. Yes.

Sean P. Holman (38m 25s):

And it’s going like, what? You’re a bug, right? And you’re like flying through the air and you’re like,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (38m 29s):

I’m a bug. I’m just doing what

Sean P. Holman (38m 31s):

Bugs do. And all of a sudden a big red jeep down the freeway, you’re going, woo. I’m riding the wick around it smash right in the side window. How bummed are you as a bug? Yeah, dude, you’re

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (38m 42s):

Like, you know, you know What the first thing that goes to your mind, your butt,

Sean P. Holman (38m 44s):

Your

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (38m 44s):

Butt

Casey Brammer (38m 46s):

And then a little splatter. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (38m 48s):

Although it’s, it’s not your butt on the, you just smear along the side of this thing for about two feet. Oh geez. That’s gross, man. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (38m 54s):

It’s just, it’s too much. But like I I even had a client that came in with a vehicle full, full of bugs and I gave I gave him an award. I go because he came down from Tahoe. Oh. And, and I go. You did not miss one bug from Tahoe to you got ’em all. He got ’em all I mean, and he got an award for

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (39m 8s):

He he good points. I’ve been

Sean P. Holman (39m 9s):

In places where you’re driving and it sounds like rain is falling. There’s a I mean, it’s just like, ugh, ugh. I’m like, I can’t wait to get home and fix this, this bugginess all over my car.

Casey Brammer (39m 18s):

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. You know, and you know, that’s one area that it’s, again, we’re talking agitating, scrubbing the surface. Whenever you’re working with a car and if you’re using something that is not cutting through the grime, you’re physically working harder on the surface. And when you’re doing that, you have a chance of scratching your car.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (39m 34s):

Yeah. Well, so I, let’s, let’s pause here because I think Holman and I, we, we all grew up. You, you go up, you get your hose, you spray the car down, then you put your soapy sponge or your MIT or whatever you have in your bucket of sudsy water. Then you go all over the car with the sudsy water. But what you’re, that’s, that’s stupid now. Well, looking back because you’re just grinding stuff into the surface. Yeah. I wanna talk about the foam guns because I literally just got my first foam gun about a year and a half ago. I mean, I, I I was like, I didn’t, I mean I watched people use them. Yeah. I just had never, someone sent me one. I’m like, oh my God, what, where’s this been all my life?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (40m 17s):

You just stand there and it just foams up the whole car perfectly evenly. You know, you can see where you got soaped. There’s no question about it. Yep. Like you said, it’s just so easy. When did that start? Like why did, when did consumers start using

Casey Brammer (40m 32s):

These? Well that’s really been picking up a lot over the last decade, but within the last five years it’s been a lot more common for somebody. And

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (40m 37s):

They’re cheap guys. I mean, if you’re listening to me and you’re doing an old school, like I described, stop, go on. Well, do you guys cell phone guns or no? Oh,

Casey Brammer (40m 44s):

We have phone candidates available on our websites website. KCX usa dot com. But you know, we have foam cannons on there. But even relative, you know, more people have pressure washers at home now too. Yeah. Because that price point’s gone down to ton. Well

Sean P. Holman (40m 53s):

Even the, if you remember the old wands that had the deionized water that had the filters in it so you can get, you know, spotless. I mean I remember those back in the day being sold in the back, like Car Driver magazine or in the ads or MotorTrend or something where you could get this spotless car wash and it was like a wand that had some filter on it. Yeah, yeah.

Casey Brammer (41m 10s):

You know? Yeah. ’cause that’s the end game. ’cause you, when you’re, that’s the, what’s problematic is when you did all that work on a vehicle and you get to the end of it and if you have water spots, you’re Yeah. Kind of chasing your own tail. But, you know, a lot of that comes down to, and in our lineup, we have something that’s a drying aid to where you’ll have less water on the surface for less chance of having that of water spots you’re chasing later on.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (41m 28s):

Because most people, let’s be honest, you guys, we all do it in bright sunlight. You’re not supposed to. We know it, but that’s just the way Well that’s all we have. It’s a Saturday and a Sunday. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? You work nine to five Monday through Friday and you’re gonna, you, you sleep in, it’s 10:00 AM the sun comes up and it’s blaring down on The truck and you go, yeah, I gotta wash. And so it’s, you go as fast as you can, but it, it, it beats up and it’s just, and now you’ve got these dots all over and now you’ve gotta do more work with your more elbow grease to get that almost

Sean P. Holman (41m 56s):

Calcium. Or you just hire your 6-year-old for a Popsicle to have the water just on the, the mist and just follow me around

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (42m 4s):

That way. As long as it’s misting. I don’t know. It’s just, it’s a disaster. So then it literally changed my car washing experience with a foam gun. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (42m 13s):

And, and you know, make it relative sounds dirty.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (42m 16s):

My detailer Rob, who I think Sean knows Yep. He would always use a foam gun. I’m like, oh, that’s cool. But I just, I didn’t, I’m like, I didn, I figured it was just a hundred bucks I didn’t wanna spend or whatever it was. Someone sent me one and I looked on their price was like $49. I’m like, I should me. And, and after using one I I should have bought one 20 years ago and spent a thousand dollars think for it. Like, ’cause I would’ve used, I’m like, oh my God, get yourself a foam gun. You do not need a pressure washer. ’cause it comes with you. Just screw it right into your hose. Little granted you’re not, you don’t have di water, you don’t have filter water, whatever. You don’t need it as long as you’re not in bright sunlight.

Casey Brammer (42m 52s):

Yeah. And, and again, just don’t let anything dry on the surface. Right. The main thing is, is what I would use the analogy of panel temperature. So the panel being the, the, let’s say the hood use the back of your hand. If you touch your back of your hand on the surface, if it shocks you, that’s what it’ll do to water or a chemical. So in that case, when you’re washing a vehicle, cool it down with water first and then go into your wash process. It’ll be a lot easier for you because you won’t be chasing a car drying the whole time. And you know, when you look at professionals, I mean, like right now we have guys in Vegas and Phoenix that are 120 plus degrees out there. They’re still out there doing that. They’re out there doing their thing and you know, they, they have to do it fast.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (43m 25s):

Well, you gotta have an easy up 10 or something. You, there’s No way you’re doing on bright sunlight, really at 120 degrees are doing it. These

Casey Brammer (43m 31s):

Guys, these guys are monsters in a good way. They’re, they’re getting stuff done. I mean, like, you know, but at, at the same end, the, the, the, they have, they build a relationship with their clients and have the right expectations set to where they’re maintaining and preserving the vehicle for their customers. Gotcha.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (43m 42s):

Okay. So back to the maverick, the white maverick. You’ve sprayed it down, the bug guts are off. And then what’s the next step? Well, first before you tell us, What, the next step is how bad was the vehicle? Because it’s a fairly newish maverick.

Casey Brammer (43m 54s):

It it’s a new I, 20,000 miles, you know, but it’s a newer, a newer vehicle. But at the same time, you know, it, it, it had purposefully a good amount of grime on it because I was gonna do a demonstration the weekend before that, which unfortunately got postponed due to a slurry coat in the parking lot. Oh. And hard to do a demo when they’re putting fresh tar down. Yeah. But it, it had two weeks of grime on it with a good amount of bugs. I mean, the, a white color vehicle’s more forgiving on the eye, like it’s hard to see it on there, but when you’re close to the surface, you had a good amount of bugs. But that’s also what would segue into when decontaminating, the iron fallout, that’s where you see all the purling is when we went into the next step after washing, we actually went into rapid rust remover. So we’re pulling metal off of the surface.

Casey Brammer (44m 35s):

And that was the purple thing you saw in the video.

Sean P. Holman (44m 37s):

I love that stuff by the way. ’cause you know, there’s several different companies that make that kind of iron and you spray it on and as it’s working purple,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (44m 45s):

It’s, it smells like sulfur. It smells like rotten eggs. But it’s crazy how well it works. Yeah, it’s awesome. And When, you spray it on and you go, I didn’t realize all this stuff was in my paint. Yeah. But you know, you take the, you don’t use the palm of your hand, as I learned in your video. You use the back of your hand ’cause it’s actually more sensitive and you rub it across your hood or you know, the top of your car, the roof, and you can feel that kind of a light grit, right? Yes. It feels like a, you know what, a 400 grit sandpaper, something just, it

Sean P. Holman (45m 10s):

Feels like your butt after a day of the beach.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (45m 12s):

Right. It just feels, you can feel that grit. Don’t, you don’t have, that’s not how the paint came outta the factory, right? Correct. Yeah. They didn’t spray that way. Yep. So that means that’s all the sediment in it. And a large lot, a

Sean P. Holman (45m 20s):

Lot of it came from rail.

Casey Brammer (45m 22s):

Yeah. No, most we call it industrial fallouts. Yeah. It’ll be anything that’s rail or that of aerospace. We have all these major,

Sean P. Holman (45m 28s):

Well, especially here, airplanes. Yeah. And you got all sorts of stuff. You got industrial areas. But a lot of those cars, when they get to the dealer, they’re horrible because they’ve taken the rail trip out. And those are, unless it’s a super luxury brand that does it in enclosed trailers, but even then, they’re sitting in the yard before they go in the train. So those wheels are turning, you know, iron on iron or steel on steel. It’s, it’s making dust and it’s getting all over the pain of those new cars. And let’s face it, those cars are pumped outta the factory. It’s not like that. It’s not totally cured is cured. Right. Yeah. So it’s, it’s still soft and those things are just embedding themselves in it. And you can go to the dealer and if you feel, feel a car that hasn’t had its first detail that’s come off of it, you know, off that sells the plastic on the inside versus one on the lot, and you can see how much they had to detail to, to make that paint.

Sean P. Holman (46m 10s):

Right. Well that’s,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (46m 11s):

It’s funny because when I was the first of the two of us to get ex be paint protection on there, on my TRX and I call our buddy Brian at SoCal 10 and he says, okay, well we need to do a paint correction, we’ve gotta do a full detail. I was like, you just can’t wrap it. It’s brand new. And he goes, no. Yeah. I was like, no, what do you hide? You can’t just put wrap on there. He’s like, you’re gonna seal in whatever all that crap. I said, what do you mean all that crap that’s in my paint. Yeah. He goes, you’ll see. Yep. Sure enough, he immediately sprays a, a rust remover or an ox. What, what do you, what’s the name for it?

Casey Brammer (46m 42s):

We call it rust removers. The easiest analogy. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (46m 44s):

Okay. And sure enough, it purple’s up. I go, it, I’ve only had this truck for a, a less than a month. Yeah. And he goes, well it didn’t come from you owning it necessarily like Coleman explained. Yeah. There’s all

Casey Brammer (46m 53s):

These other sources and that’s why there’s so many different factors. You know, a lot of people will call message. There’s so many different ways to get ahold of people nowadays. And they’re ask, well, on this vehicle, what do I do? Like, well, there’s thousand variables before it even got to you. So it’s hard to say exactly what to do on there. But at the same thing is what is the end game? If they wanna protect the vehicle C coat or PPF is you need to have the most pristine surface for bonding and for longevity. And that that’s what, you know, you, you learned there was just the fact that you had a newer truck and there was puring and that that’ll happen on a lot of vehicles just outta the gate from, you know, Omans end. Like what? From rail to the destination. And then in a lot of cases these have been stored in different yards or fields.

Sean P. Holman (47m 30s):

A lot of times it’s just dirt. They’re just storage are sitting there, brand new cars just sitting in a dirt field. Right. Every time the wind blows up, you get dirt covering ’em and then it rains and the birds dirt starts to get embedded. And then you get birds crapping on ’em with as they fly over and then they go back on a rail and then they go back on a truck. You’re

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (47m 46s):

Painting a pretty bleak outlook of the The

Sean P. Holman (47m 49s):

Truck cars blows like a hydraulic line and just sprays everything on the lower end of The truck I mean it’s horrible.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (47m 54s):

So when you spray this rust remover on, it’s clear, but all of a sudden it starts turning color, it turns purple. That’s what we’re talking about. This purple. It’s, it goes unclear and all of a sudden not to add

Sean P. Holman (48m 4s):

Confusion. What color is the label on that one? Red.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (48m 8s):

Well, red rust makes sense. Okay. So then you spray this on what happens?

Casey Brammer (48m 13s):

So it’s actually, it’s, it’s pulling the metal, the fallout from on the surface itself. So it’s actually going onto the surface when you’re spraying it on there. Clear when you’re seeing that purling is actually, it’s, it’s drawing the metal off of the surface itself. ’cause in a lot of cases from vehicles, when you’re driving around, you’re, you’re basically, things are becoming magnetized in its own way. So it’s, it’s sticking to the surface and or if it’s from the brakes, it’s hotter and it can partially etch in the surface. So what you’re seeing is, oh,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (48m 37s):

I didn’t even think about our own brake dust is getting

Casey Brammer (48m 39s):

Your, your your your performance cars.

Sean P. Holman (48m 41s):

That’s where a lot of that the purple rust remover came from was from the Wheel and tire guys. ’cause I remember the first products I ever saw that did the, the rust and purple were Wheel cleaners. Yep. Yep. And you’d spray it on your wheels from brake dust and it would pull all that fall out and all that brake dust. Right. If you think about it, your wheels are in the worst part of the car. Right.

Casey Brammer (48m 57s):

Their biggest heats sink there you have your brakes and your tires. Yeah. You know what I mean? Other than the engine you have ion and both

Sean P. Holman (49m 2s):

Of those things are shedding material constantly. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (49m 4s):

Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (49m 5s):

So then you spray the maverick down, it turns purple, then you, how long does it stay on the vehicle before you wash it off

Casey Brammer (49m 10s):

Again, not letting it dry, like in this one? A couple minutes. A few minutes. It was a warm day. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. A

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (49m 15s):

Few minutes. Wash that off. What’s next?

Casey Brammer (49m 16s):

We, we clayed the vehicle. So claying would be something that terminology for consumers, I like using exfoliate, kinda like your skin. You’re just, you’re just helping take that grit off the top surface safely. So we used a, what’s called a clay scrubber. So it’s a nano clay. It’s not a old putty style you can use either or, but it’s something that, that’s helping draw the contaminants that have built up that you can feel, but not necessarily see off the surface to where now we’re going to have a true, let’s say the clear code will be more pure before going to polish. Okay. Because if you skip that step, which a lot of people, you know, time-wise, you’re skipping steps. Yeah. Then you’re, you’re,

Sean P. Holman (49m 51s):

It’s a lot of work.

Casey Brammer (49m 52s):

It, it is a lot of work. But then you’re, you’re gonna have a longer time polishing because you’re gonna be moving all that debris around on the surface. So it’s one of those areas where that, let’s call it 10, 15 minute step saves you an hour.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (50m 4s):

Okay. And so this is a little bar of clay if you’ve never seen one. It’s about a little bigger than a credit card, but it’s, or they have

Sean P. Holman (50m 10s):

The

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (50m 10s):

Pads. Oh, the,

Casey Brammer (50m 11s):

So we’re using, we’re using a pad, but yeah, the clay, which would look almost credit card size like a, a putty is the best analogy for it. Right.

Sean P. Holman (50m 17s):

So, so over time when you know, the first clay bars hit the market, they were sold with a clay spray and I see that you guys on KCX usa dot com also have a, what you call your clay spray in with the blue label. And over time people said, oh no, I can just use my detailer within So people stop buying this clay specific sprays and they would use whatever their quick wipe detailer was with their clay bar. Is there any difference to that? Is there a reason you want to use the clay specific spray versus just your detailer

Casey Brammer (50m 47s):

Overall process wise? The, the, the clay spray won’t have the protectant to it at the end. So it’s something that, you know, cost factor wise, if you’re putting a protectant on there and you’re playing with it Yes. It has the lubricity it’s, it’s slippery. Yeah. But then you’re technically using product you’re gonna polish off. Got it. So in, in the form of clay spray, you’re putting something on there. Our blue labels mean it’s a finish and clear look to it. So our glass cleaner and clay spray have the blue band on it. So it’s something when you are using that as a a, a clay lubricant with the, with whether it’s the putty or a, or a pad or a a towel, any of the clay relative type things, that product right there will give you a streak free finish to where it’s clean and ready for your polishing phase. Got it. I mean, you can use, there’s a lot of variables out there.

Casey Brammer (51m 28s):

Sure. But at the same end, my side is, why would I wanna protect it on if I’m just gonna polish it off? Right. Because now that’s clogging up the next process

Sean P. Holman (51m 34s):

And the protecting is gonna be more expensive ’cause there’s more chemical in there as well. Right’s. A lot of people I just have, I’m not gonna go do that. I’m just gonna use this. It’s on my shelf. But in the long run, not using the right products gonna cost you more money. You’re kind of throwing away product at that point.

Casey Brammer (51m 45s):

Yeah. Yeah. ’cause you’re gonna polish it off. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it’s

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (51m 48s):

Weird that the, the clay pulls that stuff out because when you’re holding it, you’re thinking, oh, it looks like it’s like Play-Doh. Right. Correct. But it, you’d think it would have to have some

Sean P. Holman (51m 56s):

T tackiness.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (51m 57s):

Yeah. But

Sean P. Holman (51m 58s):

It does I mean it drags across the surface? Well,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (52m 0s):

That’s what it embed. It does it, it drags but it, you feel like it, it would have to have some abrasive to, to dr to pull it out. But it doesn’t, I guess it’s just tacky enough. Well,

Casey Brammer (52m 8s):

It, it, it, I mean technically if you break it down, it does have a abrasiveness to it, but you’re in the thousands and thousands and thousands to not break it down to exactly what it is.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (52m 15s):

But so you’re just not, your skin is not able to pick it up. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (52m 17s):

You’re not able to pick it up. But that’s what, that’s what’s grabbing, that’s why there is different, you know, a fine clay or a heavy clay that’s basically the,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (52m 23s):

Oh, I didn’t even know there was different grades.

Casey Brammer (52m 24s):

Yeah. There’s different, there’s different grades of clay based off of what contaminant what you’re trying to take off the surface because, and

Sean P. Holman (52m 29s):

I just feel bad for all the vehicles that Lightning zoned over the years. I mean, clearly he’s ruined a lot of

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (52m 34s):

No way. They all look good. I just, well, hold on. They look. Yeah. Good. Maybe not great. They look good. I’ve done my best, you know, given my limited knowledge.

Sean P. Holman (52m 43s):

You just made ’em look good while you owned them and now you rode it downstream from the next guy. I

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (52m 47s):

Is there, is there too many times you can clay a vehicle? Or is it not that abrasive or?

Casey Brammer (52m 50s):

It’s not that abrasive. I mean like I I just say relatively there is abrasiveness to it. But at the same time, a lot of, a lot of people will do a regimen of a clay more often than, let’s say polishing. Just to help clean the top surface of the car and make it slick again. Okay. You know, and that’s when you’re, when you’re getting it to that point is when you wanna put some protection on top of, again, whether it’s a, you know, as little as a spray detailer or a wax or working your way up into a, something that hardens more. So then

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (53m 14s):

You clay the home maverick is, are you, are you claying the horizontal surfaces or also the doors? Because I do notice that things aren’t sticking to the doors as much because it’s, they’re not, not, you know, the sediment’s, not the dew isn’t drying on the, on the doors, things like that. Is there a reason to do the doors or do you find that’s usually just the hood and the roof? So

Casey Brammer (53m 32s):

I I, well if you’re gonna put a long-term protection on it, whether it’s ceramic coating or PPF, I would do the whole vehicle. Because even contaminants on the side, let’s say a rainy day, you get that film or we drive with the mountains and the, and you’ll have snow and you’ll have that, the salty silk greens. Good point. Any of that film that stuck to the vehicle is, is sticking down the side. This, this winter we had rain Every weekend in California, all that debris sticks to the sides. While it may not be as much of an industrial contaminant, like let’s say exhaust debris from a jet landing on the roof or the, or the hood, it’s still has quite a bit in bed on the side. And you can see it I mean. That’s the nice thing if you use a lighter colored clay, you can see it come off the surface.

Sean P. Holman (54m 6s):

I I would say in California, especially southern California, it doesn’t rain for months. So those first rains, you’re pulling everything. I mean the, the contaminants, the brake dust, the trash, the dirt, everything that comes outta the sky is sitting on the roadway. Yeah. And that, that first film, including

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (54m 23s):

On all the rocks that chip your windshield Well,

Sean P. Holman (54m 25s):

Yeah. Well, and then, and then oil. Yeah. Right. We

Casey Brammer (54m 27s):

See a lot oil, it’ll be like oil slick out there because it’s not been,

Sean P. Holman (54m 30s):

It has been washed away. And it’s crazy. You, you, you know, you would never put that in your car. But people are like, oh, well it’s gonna rain tomorrow so I’m not gonna worry about cleaning it off. and I, if I know we have a big stretch, I’ll still go if I can to the pan spray and at least just hit it with the hose and some foam just to knock that stuff off, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Casey Brammer (54m 48s):

And, and that’s again, going back, it’s just taking the step to cover more surface area, meaning, you know, also playing the size of the vehicle will have more longevity to the finished product, which was sermon coating it.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (54m 59s):

Okay, so then polishing it comes after that, right? Yes. Yep. Now there’s a million different polishes. There’s all these different grits, just like sandpapers. Yes. Right. How do you know where to start? Because you’ll see some that say, they don’t even say polish, they’ll be like the grs of shine or paint refinish or like they have all these ambiguous names and you literally, I own them from these brands we all have in our garage. And you’re like, which one should I be using? Yeah. You just, you don’t know.

Casey Brammer (55m 27s):

No. Correct. And and the best answer is the surface is gonna tell you what it needs. Meaning you have to do a test spot, you know, and and out of all those, well

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (55m 33s):

No, I guess I’m saying like the products don’t even properly say what they

Casey Brammer (55m 37s):

Do

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (55m 38s):

On the label. Yeah. They’re like, use this before you do this, but after this you’re like, okay, but that’s too many steps. Or like I I don’t know. I mean,

Sean P. Holman (55m 47s):

I I, what he’s saying is the color coding’s not working for him. He needs numbers. Yeah. And we have three step four,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (55m 52s):

I’m, this is going to end up with a compliment to Kmi because it’s very clearly labeled what to do. And when your competitors not so much.

Casey Brammer (56m 1s):

Well, I I appreciate the feedback. I mean, because that’s, you know, going beyond just the, the colorways going into compounds and polishes, it is labeled heavy cut, fine cut. It is lay micro cut. But it also shows on the index both numerically and a bar graph of how aggressive the cut is and how well the finish will be to where you’re able to use which step you need to. And you don’t have to use all three of ’em. You know, you can use one or two based off of What the surface needs. You know, and that’s why we, we, a moment ago was saying you do a test spot, but the labels are really indexed to make it easier for, you know, in this case we’re talking about professional liner products for the detailer to pick up a product and take out, you know, I had one gentleman just take out wet sand marks the other day that he, it was wet sanding a vehicle and then went with our heavy cut, which rolled it down to having actually a glossy finish on a black vehicle with one step.

Casey Brammer (56m 49s):

He went another step further because he was gonna be ceramic coating that car. So there’s a lot of elements that are there, but it’s, it’s really defined to make it easier for whomever has the bottle in front a front of them. You know, again, whether it’s heavier cut or micro cut. The, the maverick, we did a micro cut ’cause it was just to show what you can do with one step

Sean P. Holman (57m 7s):

And it’s a white

Casey Brammer (57m 8s):

Car. Yes. It’s forgetting. So

Sean P. Holman (57m 9s):

That’s other thing. You’re not gonna see it like you would on a black car. Correct.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (57m 11s):

Or, or a red car. I mean, Holman’s Wrangler is 3 92. If it gets squirrels or something in it, you’ll see em from a mile away. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (57m 18s):

Red and blue vehicles actually stand out visually to me more than a black vehicle. ’cause I’m used to, you know, a lot of black vehicles having let’s say spiderwebs or swirls to it. Yeah. But it’s more dramatic on red or blue. And it’s the same way when you protect a red or blue vehicle, when you polish it and add a ceramic coating, you can see what has ceramic and what doesn’t. Yeah. Two different tones of red, you add the vibrance and depth to the color. So yeah, that’s, that’s,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (57m 40s):

So after you’ve polished it, then are you waxing it or are you putting on a quote unquote topcoat?

Casey Brammer (57m 45s):

So, on that, on that, that specific video, we did ceramic coating on it. So we have a ceramic coating product in that one. We, so

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (57m 50s):

Right after Polish and it’s clean, well we do,

Casey Brammer (57m 52s):

We panel prep. So on our orange label we do a panel prep, which makes sure that they’re, if they’re, you know, while polishing. So you

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (57m 59s):

Remove all the polish

Casey Brammer (57m 59s):

Basically. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. To make sure. Now it’s just a, a, you know, you call it a virgin clear coat that is ready for the, the ceramic coating to stick to bond to.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (58m 8s):

Okay. Got it. And do you guys make ceramic coating as well, or no? Yes we do. Yes

Casey Brammer (58m 12s):

You do?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (58m 12s):

Okay. And how does that differ from others? ’cause I know there’s a, a water based and an oil based. They’re different and there’s some very different opinions. And I’ve, our friend Brian, we were gonna have him on, we haven’t, but we will at some point where he just switched brands because he liked the new oil based style and I guess it had something to do with cure time, things like that.

Casey Brammer (58m 31s):

There’s a lot, there’s a lot of different factors in it. I mean, the biggest factor with what we have in, in our product that shipping right now is, is Artis is a larger bottle. So you can get more vehicles outta one bottle for, for that of the, the professional detailer. Instead of having a bunch of 30 mil bottles, they, they’re able to use one bottle and cover more surfaces. It works well on wheels, it works well on paint and it works well on glass. So you have one, one specific product that can cover more areas, a little more versatile. There’s a, you know, a lot of really good ceramic coatings out there. Ours, what we have is, it’s a true nine h hardness. That’s the best analogy I use. What does that mean? So it’s a hardness scale indexing kind of like a, a pencil itself. So nine h that’s what it would take to, to mar the surface. So, and that’s kind of, you know, the, I wouldn’t say the industry, but like really where you want to be at is, is at that hardness scale because, you know, a clear coat, like we were mentioning earlier, it is softer.

Casey Brammer (59m 21s):

This is something that bonds to the clear and adds hardness to it. And then now this is the protectant sacrificial layer. It’s not gonna protect from rock chips not gonna protect things from like that. But the acidity we’re talking about with bugs bird dropping, something like that, those areas will be protected by ceramic coating. So at a minimum, you know, each vehicle should have the ceramic coating on there for longevity. Like I was saying earlier, UV index, it’s like sunblock, you know, it’s hard, it’s hard for me to be out in the sun all day without, without burning. Well, vehicles are out there all the time. So having something on there that you’re putting to, to protect the surface. In this case, ceramic coating gives true bonding to the clear coat. So it’s actually becoming one with the vehicle. You’d have to really heavily polish a car to get ceramic coating off.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 0m 1s):

Can a consumer put it on or is it too sketchy? And you should seek a professional. And the, and the, and the follow up is if, if I can’t afford a professional, then what’s my alternative? Great.

Casey Brammer (1h 0m 14s):

So two questions. Can a consumer do? Yes. It it’s very and I I. That’s why I like to classify a lot of prosumers. Look at, you know, we were talking about Ice V earlier

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 0m 22s):

Because a lot of the detailers scare the consumers into not doing it. Of course, because they want it. That’s their livelihood, right? Oh, this is, you gotta do this and this and this and you, you could really screw up your pain if you don’t put it on. Right. And the guy’s like, oh yeah, brand new ram. You know, I’ve spent $90,000 on this thing. I don’t wanna screw up this ruby red paint, you know. So like, here I’ll pay you X number of thousands del dollars.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 43s):

Del Mon,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 0m 44s):

What’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 44s):

That? Del Monaco

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 0m 45s):

Del mon. What does that mean?

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 46s):

That’s the ruby red paint on a ram. Oh, is that

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 0m 48s):

What it is? Okay.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 48s):

Great color by the way. What of my favorite It is. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 0m 51s):

Although, do you like that or do you like the, the ruby red GM paint, because that actually is

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 57s):

Beautiful. The, the GM paint is different. ’cause it’s a tint coat. Yes. Oh. Versus, versus your traditional clear coat. So it has kind of that more of that Mazda red Mazda three vibe where it feels like more of an anodized kind of feeling.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 1m 9s):

Yes, it does

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 10s):

I like that on the midsize trucks. Like the Colorado, I don’t like it on the big trucks because it’s, it’s,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 1m 15s):

My buddy Bob’s got on a 2,500 Yeah. On Chevy. Oh, it looks gorgeous.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 18s):

For, for me,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 1m 20s):

I’m not a, I’m, I’m not a usually that I like I like bright red like yours. I love your Wrangler. I’m usually not a ruby red fan. It’s, but that, it’s, it’s funny. Well

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 29s):

Here’s the deal. I think on a big truck. I like the elegance of like Del Monaco. I think the tint coats are like more sporty. I think they look better on a smaller vehicle. I think when you have ’em on a giant billboard, like a heavy duty truck or a full-size truck, it’s too much. Especially if it’s, there’s nothing breaking it up like some black trim or something. Like personal preference.

Casey Brammer (1h 1m 50s):

Yeah. And that was, that’s with all the vehicles personal preference on, on what finish somebody wants. That’s why there’s a kaleidoscope of colors out there. Yeah. You know, again, to reiterate with the coating, there’s a lot of people learning a lot from, you know, YouTube University and I See it in a good way when it comes to that Porsche or let’s say brand new a hundred K truck client. They may want a professional to do it just for the fact that the professional is not necessarily scaring them into it. They know that they’re gonna have the right adhesion, the bonding of the, of the product on there. ’cause they’re not missing a step by not having to pause a YouTube video over the, over a course of a day. But the product itself applies very easily. So

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 2m 30s):

It’s forgiving.

Casey Brammer (1h 2m 31s):

Yes, it is. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You know, and, and again, you know, it just comes down to when, you know, we’re talking polishing earlier and doing a test spot. When you’re applying something like a ceramic coating, you’re starting with a certain work area and then you’re replicating that around the rest of the vehicle. So it’s time.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 2m 45s):

So you’re taking small pieces of panel, you’re taking like 18 square inches and or 18 inches by 18 digits and then moving on and Yeah. Replicating that.

Casey Brammer (1h 2m 53s):

Yeah. I, I I like to use the four two by two but 18 E. Oh sure, okay. But just a nice easy work area. When, when I like to use analogies on, on working on a car, like even polishing, anything shoulder width, you have more control. You have the same amount of pressure. If I’m going out here, I have less pressure three feet to my left than I do right in front of my chest. So it’s kind of like making sure that the product is evenly distributed, which will have the best bonding in the longest results.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 3m 16s):

Okay. Since we’re talking about coatings, if you have a PPF, do you have products to work with? Pain protection film?

Casey Brammer (1h 3m 23s):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All, all the lineup that, that would really work with decontaminating, meaning washing and then also that of adding, you know, like we’re talking earlier, it’s a sacrificial layer. If I have a vehicle that is full body, PPF I would still use something that’s has, you know, like our nano magic shampoo or something that has a protectant to it. It’s on there in microns, but still it’s adding a UV buffer to even a good film at a 10 year warranty. Yeah. Why even push a warranty? Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 3m 47s):

So what about the guys, like who, some of ’em who sell various brands of PPF, they’re like, you gotta use our brand wash, our brand cleaner, detail spray, rust remover, all that. Because otherwise you’ll break down our material. Is there truth to that?

Casey Brammer (1h 4m 3s):

I don’t sell PPF. Okay. All. right. So

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 4m 6s):

I mean, no comment.

Casey Brammer (1h 4m 6s):

I Yeah, no I mean honestly there, there’s a lot of really good product out there. But ours is all gonna work on all those surfaces. Being a top tier manufacturer works on all those. So it’s, it’s not gonna degrade them. It’s kind of like on our side talking relative to trucks. It’s kind like, what is it? Mass mags act of somebody. Yeah. Right. Trying to say you can’t put a performance part on a car. Right. Unless it’s built by this manufacturer. It’s, to me that analogy’s more similar saying if you have a PPF, you have to use our line. They just know it works very well with it. On our side, I’ve used the whole lineup, you know, on full body PPF satin clear and colorways and, and not had any hiccups or hurdles along the way.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 4m 41s):

Oh, that’s interesting to say about a satin. ’cause I’ve heard like if the satin, if you accidentally polish it or something like that, it will turn gloss, it’ll lose its satin. Same thing with the hay. Well that, that’s

6 (1h 4m 51s):

Paint, that’s, that’s anything that has satin fi you polish it away.

Casey Brammer (1h 4m 53s):

Yeah. It, it’s in the, it’s actually in the, the, the clear would have the satin finish to it. Yes. But at the same time I’m talking about just routine washes. Yeah. Okay. You know, and that’s why honestly like a lot of highline cars that I’ve been around and clients that I know, even when they had, they purchased a vehicle in matte finish, we’ve done satin PPF on it. Why? Because then the PPF takes the scratch and you can remove and replace a panel. I mean it, it, you can still add to that same finish. But our lineup when it comes to working on the cars, both in the professional and the consumer side will work great on PPF because there’s more and more vehicles. Even if it’s just touchpoint, you know, whether it’s along the rockers, there’s a lot of vehicles that have ’em now because

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 29s):

From the factory. Yeah, from the factory. So I mean you look at a Jeep Wrangler rear fender, it’s not, it doesn’t cover the whole thing, but it covers where most of the rockets are. It’s only like a two or three mil. It really should be like a 10 mil. But it’s there. Yes. And then you look at I know Chrysler, Ford, there’s a few other companies that it’s an option when you select the vehicle when you’re doing options where you can have at least a clear PPF bra added on the front or just have the front of the vehicle straight from the factory. Yep.

Casey Brammer (1h 5m 55s):

Yep. And that’s happening more and more often. Or you have it to where it can be an after sale, you know, SEMA last year Ford had the display out front. Yeah. Where our wrapping vehicles, you know, and a lot of people, a lot of manufacturers starting to get into that side of things. Yep. Ours will work great on all vinyl. And that’s why even like when people do vinyl wraps, I recommend using something that has a protectant to it. Because now you’re, you know, vinyl out here in California,

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 14s):

Well vinyl wraps are awful. I mean, if you’ve ever tried to take off a five-year-old wrap on like a, let’s just say a, a small business construction van or something like that. It is awful. It tears in long strips. You need a heat gun. Usually, especially the old stuff like the old Avery Avery, the, the inks would bleed into it or

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 6m 31s):

Cow

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 33s):

And it and it would just, it would discolor around the edges. You can see where the fallout had gotten into the vinyl. Well

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 6m 38s):

I wrapped my mini misery or famously misery like three or four times and it would burn. Yeah, it would and I didn’t I It was so partly oxidizing. ’cause it’s got kinda wide hips that are almost horizontal atop. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 51s):

No different than a lot of Toyotas with headlights or Yeah. Right. Motor cars that have to have a flat headlights headlight surface for, for styling and then they get oxidized like right away. Yeah,

Casey Brammer (1h 7m 0s):

Yeah. Uuv damage. Yeah. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 7m 2s):

So the uuv damage would just kill the wraps. And whether it was white, I had like a burnt orange color I had. So what would you suggest, what product wise for protecting that? Is there, is there even a product that will protect that?

Casey Brammer (1h 7m 17s):

Well mean you can technically, like with a brand new, if somebody’s investing in let’s say wrapping their, their vehicle for styling it, a lot of people will get, well

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 7m 23s):

Let’s cyber truck for example. Yeah. Cyber great, great one. I mean right now there’s like an epidemic of people wrapping those things. Wrapping all the cyber trucks.

Casey Brammer (1h 7m 29s):

Yeah. Yeah. And, and you know, we have a lot of high line shops that are using our stuff in their regimen for prepping and wrapping. Then once it’s wrapped, if it’s a vinyl, they’re using ceramic coating at the end because that will be the UV barrier that’s adding lifespan to the, to the wrap. ’cause in a lot of cases, and I’m not, you know, I don’t work for the manufacturer, but you’re about a one year is what it’s good in California before it starts to change whether it has a two year

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 7m 52s):

Warranty. One year what? On the, on the, on

Casey Brammer (1h 7m 53s):

The, on a color wrap. On the wrap. Okay. Yeah. Because that’s when you’ll usually start seeing stuff to blister, fade or whatever. Yeah. ’cause the UV index. But if you ceramic coat something like that out of the gate, it’s one, it’s easier to, ’cause it’s just applied to the car. But that’ll add lifespan to it. ’cause again, using the analogy of the sunblock, use that and if you don’t wanna ceramic coat it, then in your normal wash process, use like nano magic shampoo. Something that has a little bit of a protection to it. ’cause that’ll help with longevity by being a, a UV barrier.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 8m 20s):

Okay. So I can’t afford to ceramic coat or I’m scared of doing it. I’m just gonna continue to apply wax as we always have done. Yeah, yeah.

Casey Brammer (1h 8m 27s):

Wax will work too.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 8m 28s):

What is, there’s all these wax when is pure caruba or that was the big thing for 25 years is pure caruba and all this and that was the most expensive wax. What do you offer and why?

Casey Brammer (1h 8m 40s):

So for most regimen use, a lot of people use spray detailers now, you know, with polymers, which would be a little bit harder or have a longer lasting to it. We do have one wax in our lineup because, so

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 8m 49s):

Polymers are preferred over wax. Well,

Casey Brammer (1h 8m 51s):

I’m just saying it has, it has a a, a longer bonding period compared to something natural that can break down due to heat in, in different elements. So both them serve great purposes and you can technically stack all these things in different methods if you want to. You, you’re just adding gloss units to the surface. You know, we’re in southern California, we have a lot of people with the low rider cultural that build these phenomenal vehicles that are million dollar cars and they’re just stacking all these products, adding more depth to the graphics overall in, in most cases, you know, a spray detailers use a lot more nowadays in comparison to let’s say 25 years ago. And that’ll give you the ease of working in a certain area, getting rid of fingerprints and stuff like that while adding a little bit of protection along the way.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 9m 30s):

Okay. Take me to the east coast where our friends who listen and they’re complaining about salted roads. What protectants should I use to stave off oxidation

Casey Brammer (1h 9m 41s):

When it comes to environmental to between, you know, I know

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 9m 44s):

There’s probably not much you can do for like the frame and all that stuff that sucks. But like the, the, the, the lower part of the vehicle where that is painted, you know, to protect that salt from just destroying the paint.

Casey Brammer (1h 9m 56s):

Yeah. I, I honestly it’d be hardness to, the only thing to really prevent it would be, you know, the best protection would be coming from ceramic coating. And then beyond that is just washing something. Just because you can I mean it’s, it’s usually, and it it’s time permitting of course, but it’s when something’s on there longer and then you’re driving through more and more of the same Yep. Inadequate conditions, you’re adding more to the surface, which is harder to, to remove and then it’ll, it’ll have problems over time. I mean honestly because on the east coast we have a lot of clients that are, are out of the gate getting new vehicles and they’re spending more time to preserve them because they’ve already had a, a vehicle or few that have failed over the years just because of the elements they’re in. You know, and, and going back to how to really protect those areas is just really just the routine maintenance side of things.

Casey Brammer (1h 10m 39s):

And at the end you’re adding, you’re adding, protecting it again. You know, that’s the only way to kind of have longevity to it. Especially we were talking earlier about, you know, paint being thinner nowadays. Yeah. You know, so your barriers, how much do you have there in the first place? You know, what I mean and what is the substrate down below, you know, and that’s all on the OE side. Ours is to protect the top surface.

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 57s):

Lemme ask this. How committed do you need to be? So I got a a com, a commodity car.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 11m 3s):

Hold on. Holman needs to be committed. I mean, there’s no question about that. All.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 6s):

Right? So I’ve got a commodity car. Let’s just say it’s a F-150. It’s my work truck. It’s Toyota Camry, it’s whatever. It’s I I care about it enough where I want to keep it nice, but I, but it’s not going to shows. I don’t, I don’t wanna spend five hours every Saturday on it. What is the lowest effort that I could put in to protect my vehicle, have it look nice, but not take up all of my time?

Casey Brammer (1h 11m 32s):

Oh, going back to Lightning talking about the foam cannon. Having something like that for ease of application and with the right chemical could be, you know, foam on high pressure, rinse off. You don’t even have to do a contact wash. In some cases game changer. There’d be a, there’s is technically a little bit of film left, but it’s not really noticeable, but it’s something that’s fast. You can do that and then pressure wash it off and then, you know, having something that has the boosted hydrophobics at the end Yeah. Where water’s beating up. The nice thing about that is you can use a leaf blower to dry it off. Yeah. So you’re, you’re really kind of being a hundred percent touch free in your driveway by foaming, rinsing and then using a leaf blower to efficiently go through a car in a much, in much less time for taking your five hours down to, let’s call it an hour. We’d set up tear down

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 12s):

All. right. Saturday here I come that’s, I got I got a leaf blower and an hour to, to work on it. I

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 12m 18s):

Remember you saying that in the video. We were doing your maverick. You’re like, well this section’s gonna be touch free and I’m gonna do over here touch. We’re like, how is he doing a, how’s he detailing a, a truck touch free? What is he talking about? Sure enough, he’s spraying his own, spraying that on very little like, you know, elbow grease need to

Casey Brammer (1h 12m 34s):

Done that thing. Yeah. And, and that’s just in the, in the formulation of the products made, it gives you, gives you the ability to work more efficiently ’cause the chemicals are doing the work for you. You know, and, and you know, even before working with the company, even using the product for three years and it’s just each time I use something else in the lineup, I was like an aha moment. Like okay, this totally makes sense

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 12m 51s):

As Holman is digging into his giant KCX hold up. Which I got gypped by the way. I did not get the bitch in KCX bucket like Holman did. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 60s):

Look at this. Look

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 13m 1s):

At that. I

Casey Brammer (1h 13m 1s):

Just wanna make easier to carry by now.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 2s):

Right. Big black bucket.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 13m 5s):

Look at this thing. Oh, yep. So that’s the grate that goes up on bottom of the bucket, which is brilliant.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 9s):

Which keeps all the sediment below the

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 13m 11s):

Water,

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 12s):

Which is great. And a whole lot of blue in here. All. right. So I I blue bottles. I’m gonna go through the products. Cool. And they’re not gonna be in order and then you can just tell us what what it is and, and so

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 13m 23s):

You’re gonna quiz him.

Casey Brammer (1h 13m 24s):

That’d be great. Alright.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 26s):

I’ve got, this is the yellow label. This is super foam. NTA free. Yeah. So cleaning foam for self-wash stations. And

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 13m 33s):

This does

Casey Brammer (1h 13m 37s):

On the foaming side. This right here, this is gifted to you for your off-road vehicle. So this one has a higher pH Awesome. Nice thing about this is helps butt get the bugs, dirt and grime off a lot faster than a standard wash. So, okay. That’s something that you know is in our professional line.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 53s):

Are you, so you said you didn’t get a black bucket. Does that mean you’ve already been gifted some things? Yes. Or do I have to

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 13m 59s):

Share this with you? No, you do not have to show that. Because

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 0s):

What I was gonna say is, I’m gonna put this one in my pocket since I actually go off road

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 14m 4s):

And I’m gonna use this one. This is you this’s

Casey Brammer (1h 14m 5s):

Phenomenal and a foam cannon All.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 7s):

Right. This is the K kemi protect leather care. and I do like how this again blue bottle on the bottom, you actually have a graphic of the interior and you’re showing the seats highlighted on that so people can see. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (1h 14m 22s):

Again, it to be user friendly, I mean we have a, a lot of highline distributors that carry our product and they can spend a lot of time talking with the consumer about, you know, relative to what they use on a certain surface. And somebody just gets handed this bottle, they’re like, okay, great. This does it. And they, they pick it up. This stuff

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 14m 34s):

Looks German. Like it’s just the labeling is very clean and elegant. It’s not a bunch of not

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 39s):

Good to be I’m going to protect your laba.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 14m 41s):

Yeah. But it’s like, not like palm trees all over it and like a, like a no no. A Corvette with chrome wheels. No, it’s very so

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 47s):

It’s very functional. Very functional. Yeah. So on this one, and I actually have, so my, my daughter was gifted a Honda CV a 2016 from her grandma and she’s started driving. We gotta do detail on that. Okay. So I’m actually looking forward to it ’cause she’s got that, you know, the, the Honda leather in there and it, it needs a little bit of love. And so is this the right product for

Casey Brammer (1h 15m 7s):

That? That’ll be the finished step. There’ll be interior cleaner

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 10s):

All. right. So I’m gonna pull out the, I’m gonna find the interior cleaner in here. Let’s, oh, here we go. This is the refresh cockpit care.

Casey Brammer (1h 15m 19s):

Yeah. So that’ll, that’ll work throughout and like even with the graphic right there, show, show the, the dash area and it’ll also work on door panels. So with these, with these products, there’ll be like a lot of overlap to where you can use ’em on different touch surfaces, but the graphic itself will give you, you know, exact explanation of what you’re working on. But this can, this can help clean the seats. This one here is depending on how, how dirty the seats are. You’ll, you, you’ll wanna pull something out out of the

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 15m 42s):

Place. Yeah, I was gonna have, so let’s, if you have a light color colored leather,

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 45s):

So that’s why I have it’s gray. The CRV has gray leather. Right, right.

Casey Brammer (1h 15m 48s):

Yeah. So, so then you’ll have the multi cleaner, which will clean the surface first.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 51s):

Now I’m holding the, the kmi multi interior cleaner. And this has the graphic where it basically the seats, the dash steering Wheel are all shown

Casey Brammer (1h 15m 59s):

And that’ll, that’ll clean everything up. So you do your cleaning first and then you’re protecting a regimen. Second,

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 4s):

What do we have here? This is

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 16m 5s):

You are not you now you’re doing it in order. You’re supposed to do it out of order for

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 8s):

Phone insect and dirt remover. Yep. And this is a giant bottle. So this would be about two outings on the Jeep. I think

Casey Brammer (1h 16m 15s):

That will make your life a lot easier when you’re doing your cleaning regimen when you get home All. right. I mean, honestly that, that in with, with product like this to give it its best effectiveness, it’s, it’s optimal to have it on a cool dry surface. I

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 16m 27s):

Love this by the way. It’s in Spanish at the bottom here, sir El is that suicide insects? Is that what that says? I

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 39s):

Think that’s how that translated is

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 16m 40s):

This insects that have committed suicide. I clearly you Spanish.

Casey Brammer (1h 16m 42s):

I’m clip your car on his side window. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 44s):

Yeah,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 16m 45s):

Exactly. Ah, dude, how good a band name is that? The suicide insects. There

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 50s):

You go. All. right. I’ve got the, the chemi all around Quick detailer is the next bottle I pulled out.

Casey Brammer (1h 16m 55s):

Yep. And that one be all your surface on the exterior, like we’re talking about earlier. For ease of protection, this is something that on a clean car just missed on the surface and, and, and wipe it off.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 3s):

Now I noticed on here it shows the glass is also colored in. So you can use this on your win window surfaces as well. Yep. Yep. Now does that provide a little bit of a protective layer on the glass as well? Or is it completely wiped off when you, when you use it? It

Casey Brammer (1h 17m 17s):

No, it, it, it’ll leave a, a small layer of protection throughout the surface, you know, and there also is a glass cleaner in there. So which glass cleaner will give, you know, true streak free finish. That

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 27s):

Would be the speed glass cleaner, which I have a giant bottle of.

Casey Brammer (1h 17m 32s):

Yeah. And that’s something that, you know, I’d use glass cleaner first. This I would use pri primarily the all around quick detail I would use mainly on paint.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 39s):

But if you overspray it on the glass stove. Yeah. Yeah. And the next bottle is the shine speed polish. Yep.

Casey Brammer (1h 17m 43s):

Which is a phenomenal product for, you can either do it mechanically, meaning with a, with a polisher, any sort of machine, or you can do it by hand.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 51s):

Wax on, wax off. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 17m 52s):

We pause there. Talk about machines for one second. Okay. Because you just said that magic word and I forgot to bring it up earlier. When do I use a, an orbital or, or not?

Casey Brammer (1h 18m 2s):

Well, for, for ease of use and friendly for, you know, let’s say a, a general consumer going into prosumer using something that’s a random orbital, let’s say eight millimeter to 15 millimeter a throw is best out of the gate because then you’re getting the mechanical properties of the machine, but at the same end control and less chance of, you know, the fear of burning through a clear coat. You know, with, with, we were talking earlier about how thin, you know, newer vehicles are with the, with the actual paint slash clear coat on it. This is something that, you know, with a product like that where it can work well being hand applied is when somebody’s sensitive to not wanna use a machine. Whereas to me, a machine will will add, because you have the, the mechanical force plus a little more heat involved, it’ll, it’ll do a little more work for you.

Casey Brammer (1h 18m 46s):

Less elbow grease. You’re just controlling a machine that’s around six or eight pounds All.

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 50s):

Right. So the last three products I have, I’m actually excited about all of ’em, but for completely different reasons. So the one I’m holding now is the Nano magic shampoo, which you’ve talked about. Yes. And that’s kind of like the everything on the outside. Yep.

Casey Brammer (1h 19m 2s):

Yep. That one you can just foam on every surface. Honestly. That even works on a canvas top.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 6s):

Just go to town. Yep. Yep. Okay.

Casey Brammer (1h 19m 8s):

Now, and you can use that in the bucket as well. So you can use a foam cannon and use the same product you would have in the foam cannon in the bucket for your contact wash. ’cause it’ll be matching. Okay, perfect.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 16s):

This is the reactive Wheel cleaner. Yeah.

Casey Brammer (1h 19m 18s):

Don’t open that up in here.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 21s):

We don’t What the smell. Are you saying we have a lot of break dust?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 19m 24s):

No, it’s a reactive, Wheel cleaner. That’s not the iron remover or it’s

Casey Brammer (1h 19m 27s):

No, that is inside of there. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So this one’s a little more viscous. So between the two, this one, I’m not gonna say it’s gel-like, but it clings to the surface. So when you’re spraying into your Wheel, like through the window up to the top of the barrel, you want it to clinging in the barrel.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 19m 40s):

Did you gimme some of that? Because I need, I put new discs on the Mercedes. Yeah. And holy nuts. Does it throw off metal dust? Yeah.

Casey Brammer (1h 19m 49s):

And that’s, that’ll,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 19m 50s):

That’s stuck

Casey Brammer (1h 19m 51s):

To the barrel. Yeah. That’ll pull it off.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 19m 52s):

Yep. I’m gonna look through my Yeah. Supply. ’cause I, if you not, I’m gonna hit you up

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 55s):

All. right. So the, the last one I have here, which I am actually really excited about is the nano magic plastic hair. Yes. Now go look at the C RV and it has black plastic that’s now faded gray from the uv and people don’t realize it’s when you’re, when your plastics like around the Wheel. Well, and, and the, the sills and stuff, it’s not just the uv sometimes it’s just buildup of old soaps and things like that. Yeah. That just need to be cleaned off of it that make kind of bleached out and make it white. And so is this the type of cleaner that you want to be using on those types of surfaces?

Casey Brammer (1h 20m 27s):

Yeah. So that would be your final step after you wash the vehicles. So you’re, you’re taking most of the dirt and debris off. Yeah. And then that’s phenomenal to help dress and protect. Awesome. You know, like as will it rejuvenate, it’ll bring good life back depending on how far it’s gone into gray. Yeah. But you’ll add depth of color back to it. So it’ll be renewed to that of a a, a black plastic trim.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 44s):

Very nice. Well thank you.

Casey Brammer (1h 20m 45s):

You’re welcome. No, you’re have have a lot of

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 46s):

Good stuff there. Oh, I, I am I know what I’m doing Saturday. In fact, my, my 16-year-old has not washed her own car yet, so this is gonna

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 20m 54s):

Be perfect. Now is that before or after you’d come to my house to hang out with me And Rich, who’s putting in the Ballards in my driveway.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 3s):

TBD Oh

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 21m 3s):

Oh boo

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 5s):

Boo.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 21m 6s):

Okay. So where does someone go to pick up the chemi line of products?

Casey Brammer (1h 21m 11s):

Great question. So we have detailing distributors throughout the United States. So a lot high

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 21m 16s):

Lines. Are those wholesale only or No? Oh no, they’re, they’re, because I’m consumer friendly. Yeah,

Casey Brammer (1h 21m 18s):

They’re consumer friendly, meaning they’ll have blue line and the white bottles for the pros in a lot of locations we’re, we’re based here in Southern California. A lot of really good shops have it available. Not in a big box shop, you know, when it comes to the, the products themselves, but also whether you’re looking at KCX usa dot com. But we also do other products on Amazon for somebody that wants to deliver to their front door. Everybody has a different style of what they like to do personally. I was at a shop earlier today and he had a general consumer in there. The q and a part is something that’s great to go to, let’s say a detailed supply store. ’cause then the pain points you have, you can give relative and, and discuss it with a person and they’re there to give you the best results. So you come back as a return customer.

Casey Brammer (1h 21m 58s):

Right. So, you know, that’s another area to go. You can either go to a detailed supply store or KCX usa dot com or Amazon and, and have products readily available.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 22m 7s):

So if I wanna watch videos and get tutorials, I, I’m interested in the product, but I wanna learn more about how to use it and which line I need which color code, you know, blue is the consumer, but I wanna learn more. Where do I

Casey Brammer (1h 22m 17s):

Go on YouTube? We do have Koch Kemis our, our main YouTube page, which has a lot of really great information.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 22m 23s):

Is it in German or is it in English? Both. Oh really? I was joking, but

Casey Brammer (1h 22m 27s):

Okay. But then, you know, when it comes to how to use in a lot of cases then that’s where there’s been a lot of great, you know, in, in in the industry, YouTubers out there that have some very good content. ’cause they’re giving you relative, you know, true third person point of view on how the product’s working and in that of the environment where you may be working with it. You know, and that’s, that’s, you know, we’re talking about, I am Josh v earlier. It’s one that has some very good information to where you can break it down and I like the fact that he does everything by timestamp. So when I’m busy and I look at something that says 45 minutes, oh yeah, I can skip to where I need to go. I mean that’s something that to me makes, makes a lot of sense. But, you know, there’s a lot of really good information for listeners out there. I’ve had a lot of people that have, have asked information to me on Casey KCX ig.

Casey Brammer (1h 23m 8s):

So, I mean there’s a lot of, you wanna

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 23m 9s):

Say it again? Slower

Casey Brammer (1h 23m 10s):

Casey. CASE. Yco. KCX. So it’s another, another route. I mean, I, I’m sure when I leave the podcast studio, I’ll have a few questions to answer already. But it’s a good thing ’cause like we just want to have the best results because it’s longevity of a vehicle. You know, being in the car culture and SoCal my whole life. It’s something that, you know, cars are passion, but at the same time, you know, having vehicles, especially produced vehicles that have been in publications, you want ’em to look good. Well, you can do that with your daily as well.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 23m 36s):

Awesome. Casey

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 37s):

Brammer in the head.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 23m 39s):

Let’s go.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 41s):

Well, thanks for my bucket of goods. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 23m 43s):

Enjoy the

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 44s):

Bucket of goods. I. I’m gonna seriously I I, AMM gonna be at it this weekend because I do have to get the Wrangler all cleaned up because we’ve got some stuff going on with that. Wait,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 23m 53s):

What? Why, why are you winking me like that? As if I’m full Filled enough. Full

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 56s):

Stuff. Well, there’s stuff and it needs to be cleaned and it has been cleaned since the last trip. Oh no,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 23m 60s):

Hold on. Wait, wait. He’s glossing over. He’s doing something. He’s not telling me You seen

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 3s):

What’s going on here. I’ll tell you later.

Casey Brammer (1h 24m 4s):

There you go.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 24m 4s):

What is this What?

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 6s):

No I. I. I’ve got stuff going on with the Wrangler plus I. know I know

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 24m 8s):

I know what’s the stuff in the air quotes

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 9s):

Plus I. Gotta get it prepped for my stuff. Stuff. Seven or eight day, 600 mile off road trip that’s gonna take me almost a thousand miles to of highway driving. So it’s gonna be used a lot. It’s gotta be clean, it’s gotta be ready to go. You

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 24m 25s):

Gotta be clean and protected.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 26s):

And protected. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 24m 28s):

Wow. Okay. Casey, thank you very much for stopping by. Appreciate Oh,

Casey Brammer (1h 24m 30s):

Thanks sir. Thanks for having me in

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 24m 31s):

Next time I will have wiener schnitzel for you.

Casey Brammer (1h 24m 33s):

Hey, sounds good.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 24m 37s):

All right? It’s time to check in with the five star hotline. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5

8 (1h 24m 46s):

Oh. Come on and be part of the show called the five Star Hotline. 6 5 7 2 0 5 6 1 0 5. It’s the five star hotline. Five star hotline.

9 (1h 25m 2s):

Hey guys, it’s Dave, the social media guy. Hey, we got a message on Facebook from Chris that I thought would be a really good conversation for the show. So before

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 25m 12s):

He tells us this, what up Dave social media guy. He kicks serious ass.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 17s):

Yeah, he’s awesome. We love you Dave.

9 (1h 25m 19s):

Cool. Here we go. Chris wants to know he’s got this I know the year somewhere between two five and 2010 H three. The the I five with an off-road package. He’s looking to upgrade his shocks and he is looking for your recommendation, really kind of a stock height is what he’s looking for. Also related to that, he wants to know your thoughts on 35 inch tires on a stock height Hummer H three. And then his plan to use this vehicle is a little bit of off road but primarily daily use. So anyway, your thoughts on the 35 inch tire, your thoughts on how it’s gonna hold up being a, a vehicle of this age.

9 (1h 26m 2s):

And then any shock recommendations you can give him. All. right guys, we appreciate it. We’ll talk to you later.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 26m 7s):

It’s fine. So that’s, thanks Dave. That’s Chris on Facebook being with a message being relayed to us by Dave. That’s,

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 13s):

That’s what Dave does. Yeah, he, he intercepts and relays. Okay. I, okay, so I have to go back in my head a little bit because I have

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 26m 20s):

Oh five to 10 Hummer H three. So

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 22s):

I have to go back in my head a little bit because by the way, this truck won Four Wheeler of the year, great truck. Love ’em. Wasn’t a fan of the I five kind of hate that engine. The alphas with the V eight were the jam. But that being said, those, those fives with the, with the manual were like tractors. You can lug ’em down like 350 RPMs on the trail in low range and they just like three 50 oh oh dude, it was crazy. Oh yeah, you can lug ’em super low. Really love that truck a lot. It was fantastic for what it was. I thought it gave Jeep a a, a good competitor. It’s always best I I. Think when you have a competitor, everybody kind of elevates their game and you know those vehicles got better now, if I remember correctly, A 35, especially if it’s a little bit on the smaller side, you know, 34 point a half, 34.6 will fit on the stock wheels and will fit the vehicle without any trimming.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 14s):

You might have to tune up. I think that has torsion bars on the front, if I’m not

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 27m 18s):

Mistaken. Well wait a minute. So 35 by what? A a a 12 and a half or narrower?

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 23s):

Yeah, your typical

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 27m 24s):

’cause. Well ’cause some 35 I know, like at a 37 for example, you and I are 37 inch toyos. We can give him in a, in a 12 and a half or a 13

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 32s):

And a half. Well, okay, so you gotta also look at it from the standpoint of is he going to an LT metric or is he going to a traditional flotation size. So if it’s a traditional flotation size, I would not go over 12 and a half. 35, 12 and a half on the factory wheels is totally fine. You can also fit a 34.6 like I said, which is about 11 inch wide. If you go to the LT metric that’s a 3 15 75 R 16 that will fit no problems. I don’t know that you’ll have a whole lot of impact on mileage. The five is pretty torquey off the line. You probably won’t feel much around town passing power. You might feel it, but I would probably go with that 3 15 75 R 16 size ’cause it’s great.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 11s):

Now keep in mind that the speedometer will be off about nine point a 5% unless you have the adventure package. Then it’s gonna be off about five point half percent. So Sure.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 28m 22s):

Did any, were there any like hypertech or

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 25s):

Yep.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 28m 25s):

Any plugins that

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 26s):

You I have no idea if there are any Speedo calibrators speed.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 28m 29s):

Yeah, that’s where I was going.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 31s):

I’m sure if you had a Speedo calibrator for a Colorado of the same era, it would work fine since it, it’s all on that same platform. Okay. Okay. So golden shocks. If you’re, you know, going stock height, the, the world is your oyster Bill Stein 46 hundreds. Bill Stein 51 hundreds. We’ll make a big upgrade. I think there’s Monroe, there’s foxes. Honestly love the bill Steins great shock. Don’t think you can go wrong with it. And they are still readily available.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 28m 57s):

You don’t have to do a custom size or anything for those though, do you? Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 60s):

Nope. B 8 5100 front rear shock absorber. I think the 51 hundreds give you a little more travel and I. Think the 46 hundreds are the yellow ones that are the stock length you’re looking at something around like 500 bucks, 600 bucks. They’re not that expensive and they’ll completely transform that ride. So there you go. All. right? Thank you for that. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. Five star.

10 (1h 29m 23s):

Five star, five star

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 26s):

Hotline.

11 (1h 29m 27s):

Lightning Holman. Hey it’s Rich. I’m gonna see you guys in a week or so. Can’t wait. I just had to call because I just heard, barely heard the portion of Emmy Hall getting on there about the whole diet doctor, everything. So most of us like Dr. Pepper, I don’t know anybody that likes diet Dr. Pepper because I don’t know anybody who likes to take the trash can from the street after has been sitting in 102 degree weather with all the soup at the bottom of it poured into a glass and chugger down diet. Dr. Pepper is nasty.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 3s):

Yeah, it’s not, it’s not the same.

11 (1h 30m 4s):

Sorry. Emmy freaking love you. I think you’re awesome. But that’s a huge notch against you. I I. Think we can all agree it’s worse than the Mountain Dew fruitcake. Oh

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 15s):

Like medicine, right. Disgusting. So

11 (1h 30m 18s):

Yeah buddy, no more. Any Hall five star he’s out.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 23s):

Okay, so while Rich is bringing that up, it brings me up to an idea that I had, and it’s one of those ideas this scares me that I didn’t actually have, ’cause Chase Hughes gave it to me and I’m gonna take it as my own. But D me does this listener Chase Hughes? Yes. Okay. Here’s the thing. If I say it, you all are gonna do it. and Don don’t want you to do it until I do it first. But if I say it now, it’s gonna force me to do it and then you guys are gonna do it anyway. You should say it. Chase writes, would there be any sort of throwing shaded Emmy in her diet? Dr. Pepper on your brick. So right now at the Dr. Pepper Museum you can buy bricks. We should do that by the way. And what I’m thinking is we buy bricks and it should be like, Hey Emmy Hall. It’s not the Diet Dr.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 4s):

Pepper Museum. Hey no Diet Dr. Pepper. Emmy Hall not allowed. I wonder. And it can’t be like really mean. ’cause I’m sure they wouldn’t accept it. Sure. But can we all, as listeners it forever, can we buy bricks at the Dr. Pepper museum and put some shade on any So whenever she goes there she’ll have a bunch of bricks where people are telling her like, no, you’re not a real Dr. Pepper fan. Do do you think that she will actually go there at some point? Yes. Okay. I’m thinking that’s hilarious. What do they charge for a brick Don? Don’t know, huh? I don’t know. But I’m, I’m seriously contemplating buying a brick. Now if you guys don’t wanna join me and you wanna suggest 6 5 7 2 0 5 6 1 0 5 or Holman at Truck show podcast or truck show podcast at gmail dot com, send it my way because I’m seriously thinking Emmy needs some shady bricks at the Dr.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 51s):

Pepper Museum. Shady Bricks. This could be hashtag That’s a great band name by the way. Shady Bricks. Hashtag Shady Bricks. Yeah. Are you people with me? Chase Hughes, by the way, thank you for that idea. Because Ivan’s doing on that for like a week now. And I’m like, what would I say? So here’s the deal. If you go to dr pepper museum dot com, go to their brick campaign, you get an eight by four brick for 150 bucks or an eight by eight for 3 25, it stays at the museum in their courtyard forever. I, do

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 32m 20s):

You wanna, do you wanna split the eight by eight? We get some more. Some more square inches.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 24s):

I, it just depends. What the What the story is and I

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 32m 29s):

No, no, no, no, no, no. Just commit to it now and we’ll figure out What the story is later. Yeah, for sure. Do you wanna split it? Sure.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 34s):

I We just need something clever that’s not gonna piss off the Dr. Pepper museum that has to throw shade at Emmy. Right.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 32m 40s):

It can say something about diet but not Dr. Pepper.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 43s):

Right. Right. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 32m 45s):

Hmm. The only thing that needs to go on a diet is your taste. No. Something like that. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 50s):

That’s funny. That’s funny. But I don’t know. Maybe our listeners can help us out. Yeah, I think I think if we could put a bunch of bricks in the Dr. Pepper museum and support a good cause and also throw shade at her friend. That will last in perpetuity. Yeah. I’m all for it.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 4s):

So you said three 20 for the bigger brick.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 6s):

3 25 for the bigger

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 7s):

Brick. 3 25 for the brick. I, I, I, I got half that. If you want to do it, I’ll commit right now to it. Yeah, sure. It’d be something funny ’cause I wonder if they’ll let us do a logo. Probably not just text, right?

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 15s):

No, no listen, just text. This has to be under the radar. We can’t be like, Hey we’re screwing our friend here or anything. No, no. This has to be subtle. Okay. It gotta be clever. Clever. Yeah. It’s gotta be subtle and it has to throw shade in the direction of Emmy Hall All. right. Listen, we

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 29s):

Have a million ways to get us messages like

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 31s):

This. Yeah. This brick will be in the museum. You never will, you’ll never be famous enough to have your own museum. No,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 40s):

No I, because that doesn’t make sense. It has to be because she likes diet Dr. Pepper

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 43s):

I know. But you can’t bash Diet Dr. Pepper ’cause it’s the same family. But

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 46s):

There’s gotta be a clever way of doing that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 47s):

I know, that’s what I’m saying. This we need help All.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 49s):

Right. Listen, 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 52s):

We bought you this brick because our friendship’s not on a diet.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 55s):

Ooh, interesting. Yeah. Something

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 57s):

Like that. Yeah, something like that. We, well,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 33m 58s):

We’ll I’ll think about it. Okay. If you’ve got a good idea and you’re sitting there banging your dashboard right now with, with it, call us and give us a message.

9 (1h 34m 6s):

Lightning and Holman Colby calling in. Again, obviously longtime listener, not first time caller. I probably called more than my fair share of using the five star hotline. But anyway, I was thinking back on some things, you know, the path today and figured I’d share something. So Lightning, take us back in the way back machine. So there it was March, 2018, I was sitting in a beanbag chair naked eating Cheetos. I came across a post on Facebook. It was shared by Four Wheeler or one of the other off-Road magazines.

9 (1h 34m 50s):

And there was a picture and it said Truck Show podcast episode two. Now it’s the first time I’ve learned about you guys. So I clicked on the link and obviously I went to the first episode. So while I haven’t listened the weeks the first episode came out, I have been listening for six years since the second episode. And just for fun, I went back and listened to the first episode and it honestly was not as bad as I thought it was gonna be.

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 18s):

You guys were Well

9 (1h 35m 19s):

Thanks. Like your, your charisma is there with each other. Like it’s just, it’s just good. It’s just a good episode. It is funny that you titled the episode, let’s start this thing. Right. And then you continue to talk about truck nuts for like a long period of time. That

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 36s):

Is true.

9 (1h 35m 37s):

But whatever you do, you, it worked out. So I’m not gonna fault you there, but it was interesting to hear you guys talk about, introduce yourselves. You know, Lightning only mentioned K Rock. Didn’t say anything about banks. Sean, you were obviously working for

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 35m 53s):

Well, wait a minute. I didn’t work at banks then. That’s why didn didn’t talk about it after I. I was literally, I hadn’t left the station yet.

9 (1h 35m 60s):

Magazines and publications at the time you guys were at MotorTrend. It was just interesting to to hear that.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 36m 8s):

That’s, it’s not true

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 9s):

Either. Technically not true. We were at the Kro Studios for the first two shows.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 36m 13s):

No, I thought five or six. No, no, no, no,

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 16s):

No, no. It was only a handful.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 36m 18s):

Well, Steve Brown came in from Alpine. Yeah. You know, The truck nuts thing. ’cause originally the dream was to like

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 23s):

Uncover,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 36m 24s):

Uncover funny stories. Yeah. Fun. And, and then

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 26s):

It was a lot of work to do that kind

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 36m 28s):

Of burn through those really quickly. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 30s):

You know, I, I’m still chasing down the history of Big Gold. ’cause I think that could be great.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 36m 34s):

I mean, I know, we Holman and I turn off the mics after every episode. We’re like, we’re gonna do a deep dive on something something. And we’re like, nah, that’s a lot of work.

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 44s):

We don’t do it

9 (1h 36m 46s):

That side of things. And how much has changed in the, in these few years? It was interesting to remember that Lightning didn’t have a truck. So like the majority of this podcast. Then you got a truck for Dollar and then, anyway, I’m not gonna open the rest of that wound. You guys basically started this podcast in the janitors closet somewhere in the back of, back of Motor Trends. That’s

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 37m 8s):

Accurate. True. There

9 (1h 37m 8s):

Was a dance, there was a a, a casting couch also true. That was sticky for, I don’t know why you guys never explained why it was so sticky

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 16s):

Because we didn’t know I it was a couch. Okay. So it’s

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 37m 21s):

Weird that he’s taken us down memory on that. It’s funny

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 22s):

’cause I have never gone back and listened to the first episode ever. So I I have no idea what we said or did. It’s just water under the bridge. But I will tell you, we, the first quote unquote studio was an office that was inside a warehouse where MotorTrend stored a bunch of project vehicles and nobody worked out of it. And it was user for storage and I convinced facilities. I’m like, listen, this is offsite in Santa Ana, California and nobody uses this building. Can we have this room for this project we’re doing? And they’re like, okay, do you need furniture? And I’m like, I need a desk and maybe a couch. ’cause we’ll have people come in. So it was, they brought a disgusting couch. It was a microfiber brown, nasty couch that was stored vertical in the back of the office that came, or the warehouse that came from one of our other offices that I’m sure after hours had seen a lot of executive use.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 12s):

We’ll leave it that way. More than one secretary. And those are from the eighties and nineties. I know what I mean. I mean, it was just a lot happened back then. Anyway, that Couch was gifted to us by facilities and I. Is that what you got gifted? Yeah. and I literally cleaned so much out of that couch when we first got it. And it was never, not gross is the best way. And then we hung Harbor Freight packing blankets on the walls, had to dampen the sound. We had had no money ’cause they weren’t sure this thing was gonna last. And so we damped the sound with Harbor Freight blankets because we had concrete, it was a cinder block and concrete warehouse. And that’s kind of how we started it. And when Wendy came by with the fruit cake from Nissan. Yeah. Yep. It was already at that point.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 53s):

Was it a year old? Yes. Something like that. Something like that. And so what happens is, is the, the fruit just becomes more gelatinous. It was just gross and the sugar becomes up. That’s a we don’t need to talk about, there’s a whole episode on this All. right. Well let’s keep, keep going.

9 (1h 39m 6s):

A lot of fruit cake back in the day. There’s a lot of gagging on the show anyway. And strange

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 12s):

And strangely, not from the couch. I don’t remember. Gagging on the fruit cake. Absolutely. The fruit. Oh, oh, on the fruit cake. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

9 (1h 39m 18s):

Just, it’s just great. So keep up the good work guys. I also don’t remember where Bule and Hubba Bubba came from, but I want to slide this Lightning that it was a caller or an emailer that first said that way like long, long time ago. But I’m not gonna go re-Listen to all the episodes to find out what kind

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 37s):

Of fan are you.

9 (1h 39m 38s):

Keep up the good work guys. Five stars. Five

12 (1h 39m 41s):

Star review. Five stars.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 44s):

Congratulations. You have earned five stars. So there, there’s basically this entire like, truck show, podcast, narrative, cannon, whatever you wanna say. History. We don’t remember any of it. We, we lived it. and I couldn’t tell you where stuff happened. When it happened. I vaguely remember guests. Somebody else said, dude, I really enjoyed being on the show. We should do it again. I’m like, oh, you’ve been on the show before. Yeah. It’s weird. I don’t I I. I’m ashamed of it. You can be ashamed. Like I told you before, off air, maybe even on air where guys will come up to me. Well, like Casey Brammer, he and I were chatting before the show. He’s like, you remember when you did this? Remember when you did that?

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 24s):

Or on the radio station when you were hanging out with Lincoln Park, or you and Limp Bizkit were on top of the one of the World Trade centers the year before it fell and blah blah. I was like, oh. Oh. I guess I did do that. and I just all through the nineties. Everything that happened through the nineties in early two thousands was like 2010. All these crazy big rock stories. That was decades ago. We can’t, can’t remember what happened six years ago we started this, but I These are major, like these would change people’s lives. These things. Yeah. And I’m just like, they were just another day that was memorable is one of your farts and Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 40m 53s):

Right. And and like, I don’t remember in the wind. So one of our photographers for the radio station sent me a photograph from a New Year’s Eve party and we’re surrounded by adult film stars. I have no recollection of this. I’m like, I. I wasn’t drunk yet either. He is, like I said, what I was, I wasted. Like how do I, no. He’s like, no. I was like eight o’clock at night. You hadn’t even started drinking yet. I go, I don’t have any, any recollection of when this happened. And it was just like so weird to see a photograph that I’ve NI can’t recall, but apparently I was there where you and I feel,

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 23s):

Wait, what? Are there pictures? Yeah. Oh good.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 41m 25s):

There’s pictures. That’s what I’m saying. It’s like, that’s what, how this show goes.

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 29s):

Yeah. I I. It’s, it’s odd because we’ve been doing this for, you know, not even that long. Like, I would love a 10 year run at this. Be like, we did that for 10 years. Go us high five. Yeah. And we’re in year six and I’m like, I just, I just feel like I’m in the middle of it. Yeah. But, but I don’t remember. Should

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 41m 45s):

We plan on signing off a 10?

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 47s):

We could plan on it, but it’s probably gonna happen sooner. Yeah.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 41m 50s):

I don’t know. I can

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 51s):

Together. You might not be

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 41m 52s):

Here so I might die. Yeah, that’s true. That’s true. I mean, should Holman replace me now? ’cause like, I mean it’s inevitable, right? I’m just gonna die.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 1s):

I mean, I think we’re both racing to the grave the way our lifestyle are.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 42m 4s):

(657) 205-6105. Call us any time of day or night.

11 (1h 42m 10s):

Hey, Lightning, Holman, Holman Lightning. Whichever way you like it. This is Cole up in Northern California. Hey, fun little game I came up with. Since you can’t really play slug bugs anymore while you’re out driving around, anytime you see a dodge or ramp, tow mirrors out, call it tow tap. If they’re not towing a trailer, you get extra points. If they’re wearing white sunglasses, pit vipers. And especially if they don’t even have a tow hitch in their truck guarantee you’ll spot ’em all day long. Toe tap. It’s all the craze up here. Got my wife playing it. She saw 18 today on a 30 minute drive.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 42m 51s):

18. I can beat this I.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 52s):

Five

11 (1h 42m 53s):

Stars. Keep the suckage low. Good job. Lower

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 42m 56s):

Than the Suckage.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 58s):

So here’s the deal, as I’ve mentioned, I’ve got a 16-year-old learning drive. And so she thinks it’s funny to do slug bugs. And now my six year old’s doing it. So now here we go again. I I’m back in my, I’m a kid and both of my daughters are punching me. Do they

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 43m 13s):

Hit hard?

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 13s):

So here’s, here’s what I told them. I go, don’t don’t ever hit me while I’m driving. ’cause that’s just gonna piss me off. And my daughter’s like, well, Gigi hits hard. So apparently my mom does it to her. She goes, man, she punches hard. I’m like, you hit me while driving, we’re gonna have a problem. So they all do like slug bug to me and they kind of do like this like fake punch where it barely touches me or just misses me. Oh. And, and Abby, my little one knows like for a while she’s calling anything round a slug bug. No. She knows Volkswagen Beetles now and she’s good at it. Okay. And she knows where they all are around the neighborhood. So she’ll be like, fuck back from the back. and I like damnit Right.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 43m 47s):

Does she whack you from behind the head? No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 49s):

She can’t reach me. So that, that’s what’s good. Oh,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 43m 51s):

Can she kick you the back

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 52s):

Of the seat? No, no. She’s on the my over my right shoulder in the passenger side. Okay. So here’s the thing that got them to really stop is my 16-year-old Marin. She did it one day and hit me and I’m like, what did I tell you about hitting me while I’m driving? We just play Slug Bug. I’m like, okay, okay. I got a new game for you. Strangler Wrangler. So we

13 (1h 44m 12s):

Started driving around,

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 13s):

No, you,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 44m 14s):

You’re gonna go to jail

13 (1h 44m 15s):

My friend. And every time we

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 16s):

Saw Wrangler, I’m like, strangler Wrangler and I throw my hand on her on her neck. She’s like, stop it dad. And I’m like, are we done playing Slug Bug? Yeah. So, so I will counter toe tap with Strangler Wrangler. And if you’ve got annoying kids that wanna distract you while driving and they want to play any of these games, just play Strangler Wrangler because there are a ton of wranglers in the world. And that game will go all day long and you only have to strangle ’em a couple times and they, they snap right into line and you never have a problem again. So there’s, there’s your advice from Uncle Sean.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 44m 47s):

Yeah. Holman. I’d be a little careful with that. I think you might have into, into prison.

13 (1h 44m 52s):

Hey Lightning, look at my garage. Strangler Wrangler. Strangler Wrangler.

14 (1h 44m 55s):

We get you.

13 (1h 44m 57s):

We’re not gonna play here in the studio

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 44m 59s):

Truck Show podcast at tmobile dot com. The truck

13 (1h 45m 2s):

Show,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 45m 2s):

The

13 (1h 45m 2s):

Truck show. The truck show.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 45m 5s):

Whoa Whoa.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 7s):

Now I’m looking around the studio

13 (1h 45m 8s):

And I’m like, I’m like, there’s a cyber truck. There’s gonna be something horrible that you could do with Cyber truck, right? No,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 45m 15s):

It’s gotta rhyme.

13 (1h 45m 16s):

Well, the things I’m thinking of are super offensive, so I’m not going to say them.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 45m 21s):

Hey,

13 (1h 45m 23s):

If you want to, it’s like what rhymes with The truck but worse? Okay. Yeah. I I know I. Got it. Listen, if you guys wanna get ahold of us, hit us up on the five star hotline. 6 5 7 2 0 5 6 1 0 5. You can reach us at Truck show podcast at gmail dot com. You almost forgot at truck show podcast dot com and Lightning at truck show podcast dot com Or reports on our socials at Trust Show podcast at LBC Lighting at Sean P Holman All. right?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 45m 47s):

So this weekend if all goes as well, we’re installing some Ballards in the Lightning driveway. Hopefully you’ll come over and you’ll,

13 (1h 45m 55s):

I just wanna see somebody, rich I want to see somebody drill holes in your driveway and then I want to give them a hundred dollars to go away. And that’s what I should do. Oh, I, I’m gonna bring Rich Lunch money and tell him and his whole crew to go out on me. No,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 46m 9s):

No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop. I got it. I got I got, I got it. So we’re digging four holes, four feet deep. What are we gonna drop in those holes that someone will find in a million years? Like, like let’s make time capsules Truck show podcast time capsules right there cemented into my driveway. Oh no,

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 28s):

Let’s just take Truck show podcast stickers. Put ’em on the bottom side of the Ballard so when you put it in, it’s just on the bottom. That’s

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 46m 34s):

Not as cool as like putting something type you were

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 36s):

Poop capsule.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 46m 37s):

No, that would decompose. I wanna put something cool, you know what I mean? I don’t know what it would be. Well we like a time capsule. What could we put ah, I know a Thumb Drive with episode one.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 48s):

They wouldn’t know what to do with that. Yeah,

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 46m 49s):

They

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 50s):

Probably wouldn’t know that. They’d dig it out and go, what

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 46m 51s):

Is this thing is trash? Yeah. Ah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 54s):

Alright guys, head over to truck show podcast dot com where you can check out our upcoming events, featured products, all that good stuff. And you can of course listen to our episodes and please leave us a review on Apple. and I heard from Spotify this week that they’re gonna be allowing reviews now on their podcasting side. Okay. And we’ve got a lot of several thousand spot Spotify listeners. So guys, if you’ll help us out on Spotify and if you’re an Apple person, help us out on Apple. We really appreciate it.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 47m 20s):

We wanna hear from you. If you recently bought a new truck, it’s our segment called You Review. This is where we’ll actually get you on the phone, you and give. We will get your

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 28s):

Review. Mention that ’cause Yes. What do you got? What’s that number right there on my phone?

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 47m 31s):

In the in red? Oh no. Oh, Mike Finnegan.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 34s):

He called me.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 47m 35s):

Oh, he’s got a seven three and he

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 36s):

Said he absolutely loves his truck and he would come on and do a you review for us.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 47m 40s):

Oh, no kidding? Yeah. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 41s):

He’s like, dude I, this thing is amazing. And I I. If you guys want me to come back on and talk about it now they got some miles on it. I’d love to. So be like Mike Finnegan, come on. The Truck. Show Podcast. Tell us about your truck.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 47m 51s):

I love it. Let’s do it. And speaking of you review, if you happen to have a new frontier, we’d like to hear about it. Or if you’re thinking about getting one head over to Nissan USA to build in price, the Nissan Frontier Perfect for you.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 5s):

And if you’re looking for some of the best performance truck accessories on the market, head on over to Banks Power dot com. You’ll find cold air intakes and take elbows, intercooler and boost tubes, exhaust system, exhaust breaks, transmission controllers, differential covers, oil coolers, rot controllers, tuners, programmers, and even some apparel. And don’t forget the eye dash, our favorite little gauge. Banks Power dot com. Did

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 48m 25s):

You see the new sunglasses?

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 27s):

I have not.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 48m 28s):

Maybe you should go to that page and check ’em out. We teamed up with Heatwave dude, collabo City

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 34s):

Tow tap for the, is that the, the, the equivalent of Chevy guys with the reme out

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 48m 39s):

A little bit. And, when you know that you got an oil change coming up, don’t just buy any oil. Head over to ams oil dot com to get the AMS oil that’s right for your truck punch into your year, make and model. They’ve got it all specked out for you. If you need five W 30 10, W 40, whatever it is, they’ve got the signature series that is a perfect match for your ride AMSOIL dot com.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 2s):

And we love truck accessories from EGR. So you can go to egr usa dot com and find all sorts of different truck accessories from Fender Flares, LED Lights, window visors, hood Guards, body side molding cap spoiler Sport bars, all sorts of undereat storage. But our favorite by far has to be their electric tono covers known as the roll track. You can get the EGR roll track for the RAM for the F-150, for the Gladiator, for the Chevy 1500 Great product. Lightning has one on his TRX and absolutely loves it. Plus it integrates with your key fob and the vehicle. There isn’t a better one out there. EGR USA dot com.

Jay “Lighting” Tilles (1h 49m 38s):

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