Season 2, Episode 105 - Have You Heard? Motor Trend’s Jonny Lieberman talks News

 

 

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Sean P. Holman (0s):

Hey, Lighting, Have, You, Heard. What

Recording (1s):

Are you? Deaf and stupid? I said,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3s):

No, no. I Johnny Have. You Heard. Yes.

Jonny Lieberman (7s):

No wait, no

Recording (9s):

The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer What? The truck. Because truck rides with The truck show. We have the lifted We have the lowered and everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show Whoa.

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It’s The truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

Sean P. Holman (46s):

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Sean P. Holman (2m 20s):

Alright then. Hey, Johnny. Have, You, Heard.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 23s):

No.

Sean P. Holman (2m 25s):

You’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 26s):

Supposed to say like,

Jonny Lieberman (2m 29s):

No, no one also, no one told me that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 33s):

That’s our bit. We do this. He says, Lightning, Have, You, Heard. and I’m always saying no. Every once in a while I hit him with a yes. but No usually I’ve not heard. What

Sean P. Holman (2m 41s):

Are we hearing? So normally we do news, so we go through like all this week’s news, but I want you to kind of comment on some of the stuff and give Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we talk about it and then we never have anybody outside of our little bubble to challenge us, so, wow. Wow.

Jonny Lieberman (2m 53s):

It’s very open-minded

Sean P. Holman (2m 53s):

Of you. Thank you. So we’re good. I enjoy the

Jonny Lieberman (2m 55s):

Bubble. No, go ahead,

Sean P. Holman (2m 58s):

All. right. Since we got Johnny Lieberman here, did you see a recent study that said nearly half of EV owners in America wanna switch back to gas?

Jonny Lieberman (3m 5s):

I did not see that.

Sean P. Holman (3m 6s):

So basically inadequate charging infrastructure. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 9s):

Wait, hold on. Hold on. Tesla’s PR person. No,

Sean P. Holman (3m 12s):

No, not at all. They don’t have a PR person. No, that’s true.

Jonny Lieberman (3m 17s):

I mean, a again, I, I find that surprising. Unless you have to rely on public chargers,

Sean P. Holman (3m 24s):

Then that changes a lot.

Jonny Lieberman (3m 25s):

But it’s weird. It’s nearly half. ’cause like if, if most EV owners own Teslas and the Tesla Supercharger Network say whatever you want about everything, that’s what’s keeping

Sean P. Holman (3m 34s):

That company alive right now. It’s real. Well, and by opening it up to Yeah, the competitors. Although how bummed are you, if you’re a Tesla person, you look over and you’re like, you’re in your cyber truck and you’re like, oh, I’m Tesla. You look over and there’s a F-150 Lightning sitting there.

Jonny Lieberman (3m 45s):

So I drove my rivian to a Tesla supercharger. And

Sean P. Holman (3m 48s):

Did they come after you with electronic torches? No,

Jonny Lieberman (3m 52s):

I went to a big one in Pasadena. Could

Sean P. Holman (3m 53s):

You imagine if they all chased you with like, flashlights, get outta here.

Jonny Lieberman (3m 56s):

You, they didn’t even look up from their phones. Not a, not a single person. You interloper, I, I have a bright yellow truck and not a single person even moved an eye. Is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 8s):

That the, is that indicative of most of the EV owners that they’re just all about tech?

Jonny Lieberman (4m 13s):

No, I think it’s indicative that, that the people are bored when they’re psychologists that figured out how iPhones work. Yes. They’ve, they’ve totally like, you know, think about your weekly screen time report that time comes from somewhere. Yes, it does. You know, so Yeah, no, they were, what we do

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 27s):

That six hours iPhones,

Jonny Lieberman (4m 30s):

I know. Exactly. So how

Sean P. Holman (4m 30s):

Many chargers do you think we have here in the us? Johnny might even know.

Jonny Lieberman (4m 34s):

17,000

Sean P. Holman (4m 36s):

Lighting.

Jonny Lieberman (4m 38s):

Oh, Teslas or, no,

Sean P. Holman (4m 38s):

No, no. Just, just How many total chargers do we have? Oh,

Jonny Lieberman (4m 41s):

Oh, oh. Well that’s, does that count home or, or

Sean P. Holman (4m 44s):

Public? I think it’s public.

Jonny Lieberman (4m 44s):

Public. Oh.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 45s):

So I’m gonna guess first before, because I, wait, wait, don’t say ’cause ’cause you’re gonna be closer. ’cause you cover this stuff. Yeah. I’m gonna say 25,000.

Jonny Lieberman (4m 57s):

Yeah, it’s, I’d agree about 25, eh, 20. The problem is there’s these, there’s these charge point chargers, which they just put a billion in, none of them work. So I would say how many working charges that?

Sean P. Holman (5m 7s):

Like eight or something like that? Yeah,

Jonny Lieberman (5m 8s):

Yeah, yeah. But 25,000 is a pretty good guess.

Sean P. Holman (5m 12s):

Public chargers for ev. And then let me ask you this, do you think it’s more than gas stations or less than gas stations? Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 17s):

Less. Okay.

Jonny Lieberman (5m 18s):

Yeah. Again, this charge, charge point’s the problem

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 22s):

Are you talking about individual, not pumps versus charging stations,

Sean P. Holman (5m 25s):

Gas stations versus EV chargers.

Jonny Lieberman (5m 28s):

This company charge charge

Sean P. Holman (5m 29s):

Versus locations where you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 29s):

Can

Jonny Lieberman (5m 30s):

Location. It’s probably more than gas stations. Really.

Sean P. Holman (5m 32s):

Here’s what’s fascinating. Yeah.

Jonny Lieberman (5m 33s):

But dude, that’s just ’cause of

Sean P. Holman (5m 34s):

ChargePoint gas stations 196,643 in the US Yeah.

Jonny Lieberman (5m 39s):

Stations.

Sean P. Holman (5m 39s):

Stations. Jesus. Now public EV chargers shocking. 183,000. They’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 46s):

A lying sack

Sean P. Holman (5m 47s):

Of shit. They’re actually comparable. They’re actually really close to

Jonny Lieberman (5m 50s):

Remember. That’s amazing. But remember again, if you, if you’re talking about like a, let’s say like a, a Chevron is equal to a Tesla supercharger station. Right? A charge point is equal negative. If I handed you a Coke can full of gas, like they’re the worst. They’re seven kilowatts. They’re,

Sean P. Holman (6m 8s):

They’re all broken. Know what sucks is they make a really good home charger. Sure. But their, their network is horrible. But, you know,

Jonny Lieberman (6m 13s):

What, the thing is they don’t maintain ’em. They sell ’em as like a third party to like a landlord. And landlord is like, what broke? Fuck

Sean P. Holman (6m 19s):

You. Yeah. I’m not putting more money to that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So here’s what’s interesting. So this is the reasons 24% inability to charge at home. 21% stress of worrying about charging. And 16% had charging mobility requirements. It said 13% said they did not enjoy the driving experience, which I find hard to believe because the driving experience is one of the better things about ev

Jonny Lieberman (6m 41s):

I would say 13% are Nissan leaf owners

Sean P. Holman (6m 44s):

All. right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 45s):

There’s not that many leaf

Sean P. Holman (6m 46s):

Owners, but No, there actually are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 47s):

Many

Sean P. Holman (6m 47s):

Yeah. Been around for a long time. They

Jonny Lieberman (6m 49s):

Sold, they sold a lot of lease again, you know, look a good ev Ah, wow. You know, but also a good gas car. Wow. So I, you know, I I, that seems high. That half want to go back. Yeah. That seems like a high stat to me, to my ears. Because, because most people I I met early on. I met a lot of Model S owners that were early adopters in 2013, 14 that never got a home charger that said, I’m going on a road trip. And they were like, that sucked. Yeah. I didn. Never wanna do that again. Yeah, I get it. You know.

Sean P. Holman (7m 17s):

So, Hey, Lighting, Have, You Heard.

5 (7m 18s):

What? No. What? No

6 (7m 23s):

What? No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 27s):

No. I have

Sean P. Holman (7m 27s):

Not Ram is number one in JD Power 2024 initial qualities, which is crazy. Johnny just say, Johnny just had a giant

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 37s):

H didn’t you say Ram?

Sean P. Holman (7m 38s):

Yeah.

Jonny Lieberman (7m 39s):

How’s that possible?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 42s):

He said, whatcha talking

Sean P. Holman (7m 43s):

About? Because I think there’s a lot of brand loyalty and they don’t want to Oh,

Jonny Lieberman (7m 46s):

I I mean, and not to throw JD Power under the bus, but,

Sean P. Holman (7m 49s):

But why not I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 51s):

Work? Are you saying they can be purchased?

Jonny Lieberman (7m 53s):

I’ve just known a lot of people that work there. They’re not, they’re not the sharpest knives on the block. So I’d, I’d be, I’d like to, I’d like to see their methodology for Ram being number one. Well, it says that, but it’s initial. So it’s,

Sean P. Holman (8m 2s):

It’s initials 90 days, right? 90 or 180, something like that. You

Jonny Lieberman (8m 5s):

Purchased your truck. Are you stoked? Fuck bro.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 7s):

Yeah, exactly. It was under warranty and everything’s

Sean P. Holman (8m 9s):

Full-sized light duty pickup for the second consecutive year. It got the title and then the Ram 2500 3500 HD earned third place among heavy duty pickups.

Jonny Lieberman (8m 17s):

I mean, look, look a Ram 1500 despite getting a little along in the tooth, although there’s starting to still a great truck. It’s a great truck. It is a great truck. And I mean, God, I remember this would’ve been like 2014, 15, like we had this long term, 1500 on air suspension. It was burnt umber, whatever orange color had the ram boxes. And like, man, I love that thing. Just because at the time no pickup truck had that ride quality. Just, it was like, yeah, it was, it was, it was right at the transitory point. They started making Lee Springs unloaded ride better. But like before that they were just trucks and they rode horribly and I remember this thing? I was like, oh my God, it’s so good.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 54s):

So which, what truck do you think rides the best today? F threequarter ton oh three. No. Quarter Threequarter ton.

Jonny Lieberman (9m 0s):

I would, they’re so similar. I mean, it’s, boy, probably Ram, but like, I, I’ll

Sean P. Holman (9m 6s):

Go super duty,

Jonny Lieberman (9m 7s):

Super duty’s. It’s kind of soft. How do you, but how, like, seriously, like the

Sean P. Holman (9m 12s):

GMs ride. Nice. But they’re still hard on the tors. They’re still really taught.

Jonny Lieberman (9m 14s):

Yeah. Yeah. I, my, my problem is it’s such a sophisticated competitive segment. How do you even critique heavy duty trucks? It’s so hard to, they’re so, they’re all good. They’re all, you know, and probably super duty. ’cause it was the newest one to have a refresh, you know? And it’s, you know, it’s just like, yeah, super duty’s is really impressive. Yeah. I,

Sean P. Holman (9m 36s):

Especially for being solid

Jonny Lieberman (9m 37s):

Axle. But, but like, when

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 37s):

The real and the ho, but What the ho is crazy with a, with 1200 pound feet of torque right off the dealer, you know, off the showroom floor. I think it’s, it’s nuts. Yeah.

Jonny Lieberman (9m 49s):

No, it’s again, I I. It’s an amazing truck. I’m in awe of those vehicles. You know, they’re heavy duties are great, you know, so it’s I I. I’d have to get the current crop together and drive ’em back to back to back. But I remember they all, they, but I remember like in 2015, having an unloaded Ram Dulia 3,500. That sucks. Going down the one 10. and I was like, this is, yeah.

Sean P. Holman (10m 10s):

This horrible, oh dude, my, my kidneys are are mush. Yeah. But

Jonny Lieberman (10m 13s):

They fixed it. They fixed it. You know,

Sean P. Holman (10m 15s):

All. right? Hey, Lighting, Have You Heard.

Jonny Lieberman (10m 16s):

9 9 9 9. No, I have not heard.

Sean P. Holman (10m 19s):

Shelby just released their F-150 and it’s $27,000 more than a Raptor R Wait, what? What’d he say? And that, that’s with no engine mods. Now, if you wanna give the stock 400 horsepower coyote Yeah. In a lesser truck and build it up, it’s only 17,000 more. Holy crap.

Jonny Lieberman (10m 40s):

This is Shelby America. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (10m 44s):

Well,

Jonny Lieberman (10m 44s):

You know, some people really like the word Shelby.

Sean P. Holman (10m 47s):

I’d rather just have R

Jonny Lieberman (10m 48s):

Right, dude. I mean, look, they put us in literally who literal a playground. But I mean, how good is that r It was, it was really so good.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 57s):

Who’s paying for the Shelby stuff? Really? Like

Jonny Lieberman (10m 58s):

Who?

Sean P. Holman (10m 59s):

Well, listen the price. Who wants

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 60s):

That?

Sean P. Holman (11m 0s):

It starts at one 30 without any engine mods. And then if you want to add Inge mods, you, you’re gonna go up to 1 3 9 9 95.

Jonny Lieberman (11m 9s):

There, there’s a segment of,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 12s):

Is it the Hennessy segment?

Jonny Lieberman (11m 13s):

No. ’cause I think you’d get a Hennessy, but there’s just a segment that really have reverence for Carol Shelby. Yeah. And that’s attractive. And then there’s, I think there’s a separate segment that like, they know the word Shelby. They have a lot of money to burn. And they get, I frankly, frankly, get conned into buying ’em. I’ve had some very bad luck with Shelby America. This is not like a Ford Shelby. Yeah. This is Shelby America in Las Vegas. Right. It’s a lot of money. And they don’t,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 42s):

It’s just Boltons, right.

Jonny Lieberman (11m 43s):

Raptor R

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 44s):

But I mean, isn’t it just a bunch of Boltons that you can almost do yourself?

Sean P. Holman (11m 47s):

You, you get what they call Raptor style suspension, but it’s just fox suspension, 30 fives on, 20 twos fender flares, dual intake hood extractors, you know, the Shelby Grill. You know, just the, all the normal stuff that you could, I think build, I mean there, I’m sure there’s some Shelby only stuff that they develop, but it’s

Jonny Lieberman (12m 6s):

I I.

Sean P. Holman (12m 6s):

Just think it’s the five liter also and not the five two. So it’s, it is the coyote engine with the blower on it. But it’s not the Ford performance are motor. I

Jonny Lieberman (12m 13s):

Just, the SVT people, you know, the Ford performance now, I guess they’re called. But like, there aren’t better engineers in the automotive space. These, I mean, they’re so good at what they do, you know, they’re just, they’re, and so you, you’re, you’re not getting the engineering behind it. Well,

Sean P. Holman (12m 28s):

Especially since SRT was disbanded.

Jonny Lieberman (12m 30s):

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Right. You know what I mean? They’re just, they’re, and I’m even talking like, like go up against m or a MG or any, you know, the, the exotic stuff. Like, you know, from the, from the, the GT 500, the GT three 50, the, the Raptor, the, the, the r god damn. They build good products. You know, by the way, I get accused of being a Ford hater all day and night. So, yeah. I think that’s the problem with Shelby America is they don’t have that team. You know, that’s a real sophisticated brilliant. Well, they’re, no, it’s

Sean P. Holman (12m 58s):

Not. That’s still aftermarket. It’s not in Yeah, it’s aftermarket. They don’t have the engineers

Jonny Lieberman (13m 1s):

At All. right. Yeah. So I, and so I know, it’s, it’s a tough sell for me.

Sean P. Holman (13m 6s):

Hey, Lighting, Have, You Heard.

Jonny Lieberman (13m 10s):

No,

Sean P. Holman (13m 10s):

Haven’t. So apparently a Volkswagen and Scout have come out since the Rivian deal and said that their plans for Scout have quote unquote not changed.

Jonny Lieberman (13m 18s):

I’ve heard

Sean P. Holman (13m 18s):

That. And so I think that’s interesting. ’cause I think we all wondered like, oh, that’s a huge investment. Now they want that architecture that puts all the modules, you know? Right.

Jonny Lieberman (13m 27s):

Remember it, it’s basically, it’s ECU architecture, right? Yep. So it’s, it’s, in other words, instead of having it’s software, instead of having an ECU that runs lights and an ECU that runs brakes and an ECU that runs motors, you break the car up into four quadrants. And so anything that happens in the rear of the vehicle, whether it be brake lights, tailgate, tono, cover, whatever is all in one ECU instead of being on three or four. And they want that zal architecture and they want the software.

Sean P. Holman (13m 55s):

All, all I know is, I hope that

Jonny Lieberman (13m 56s):

No platform

Sean P. Holman (13m 57s):

Sharing there. There’s a, a $1 billion now and four down the line. I hope that gives rivian some cash flow to get that R three out. ’cause that

Jonny Lieberman (14m 3s):

Thing’s bad. Oh, R three XXR

Sean P. Holman (14m 5s):

Three Oh, R three X,

Jonny Lieberman (14m 5s):

Exactly. Trim motor. Oh, dude. So just so we know, so the, the, it’s gonna be the, as far as I understand, it’s the same motors in the trim motor R one product, which means

Sean P. Holman (14m 14s):

Could R three. Wow.

Jonny Lieberman (14m 15s):

It could be 850 horse

Sean P. Holman (14m 17s):

In that little car.

Jonny Lieberman (14m 18s):

The size of, that’s

Sean P. Holman (14m 19s):

Like a little lancia rally car size. Right.

Jonny Lieberman (14m 22s):

So it, it’s the same three motors just McElroy

Sean P. Holman (14m 26s):

Definitely gives me,

Jonny Lieberman (14m 28s):

And by the way, by the way, those motors are capable of more than that. They just, they just have it in the trim motor. They have it. They wanted to beat Tesla by five horsepower. You know, that’s all it was. Just beat the cyber bees. They can’t I know if they ever will, but they can make more

Sean P. Holman (14m 42s):

So, so Lightning did you hear? I said

Jonny Lieberman (14m 45s):

No. No.

Sean P. Holman (14m 49s):

So we’ve been talking about the 2025 ran I just like,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 51s):

I just like cracking him up with my Johnny’s like, he doesn’t know where Well, because you don’t,

Sean P. Holman (14m 55s):

You don’t have somebody sitting next to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 56s):

You smash mouth. You weren’t expecting that band to pop up.

Jonny Lieberman (14m 58s):

I’m just like, who has the time? Like all these clips?

Sean P. Holman (15m 1s):

Oh. And he has thousands of ’em. And, and he just, he just pushes ’em all the time. And sometimes we have to slow ’em down. Yeah. Okay. Did we talk about the powertrain I? Think there were some guesses as to what it could be for for, for which what? For what? This would be the RAM 2,500, the 2025 hd.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 17s):

Are you talking about the fact that the HO is no more

Sean P. Holman (15m 20s):

Sort of,

Jonny Lieberman (15m 21s):

Oh,

Sean P. Holman (15m 21s):

What, so now the rumor out is H speed ZF which is what we’ve talked about, right? Replacing the IS in six speed. But now there is no ho because the same output Cummins will be across the entire lineup, which is supposed to be mighty healthy. Hmm. And that eight speed is exactly what they need on that engine. Yeah,

Jonny Lieberman (15m 39s):

For sure. I mean, ZF eight speed is such an amazing transmission. That thing is in everything from T-R-X-T-R-X. I was gonna say charger to a Lamborghini. Oris is a, is a ZF eight speed.

Sean P. Holman (15m 51s):

I’ve got a ZF eight speed in my garage right now in the 3 9 2. Yeah,

Jonny Lieberman (15m 54s):

It’s great. It’s, it’s a such it’s and like the real high output, crazy, like in the Audi, the S eight, it’s an automatic, but it, it, it upshifts doesn’t downshift but upshifts as quick as like a dual clutch, it’s an amazing to watch it bang off gears. Like if you see, if you have a real tack, it’s like whack, whack, whack. Yeah. If you’re in watches, it’s super cool.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 14s):

It almost looks, the tack looks digital and like fake.

Sean P. Holman (16m 16s):

It’s Yeah. But’s good because less heat, the faster you can make that shift, right?

Jonny Lieberman (16m 19s):

Sure. And that’s a real mature transmission. and I, think the GM Ford 10 speed by this point’s pretty mature. Yeah. I think

Sean P. Holman (16m 25s):

Toyota

Jonny Lieberman (16m 26s):

Use that. Toyota could use that ZF in their, in their Sequoia

Sean P. Holman (16m 32s):

It says that the 6.4 liter Hemi will still be the base engine. And there are reports that it will get a little bit of a power bump, which I think it needs, but it will not be getting the hurricane at this point, which will stay in the light duties.

Jonny Lieberman (16m 43s):

But you were on I I. It was, I think it was in Wesley. You were on the last heavy duty Ram launch and they remember they had that like 32 or $34,000, 2,500 gas. Yeah. Six

Sean P. Holman (16m 55s):

Six truck.

Jonny Lieberman (16m 56s):

Yeah. Dude, that was the sweetest thing that that truck was like, just bone,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 59s):

Like, like bare bones.

Jonny Lieberman (17m 1s):

It it was, it was, look, it was, it was like a driving a truck from the eighties, you know? Yeah. It was a little bigger I guess. But like, that thing was sweet. Did it have that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 8s):

Itty bitty tiny LCD screen in the middle of the dash? It look like

Jonny Lieberman (17m 11s):

Probably. I mean, they, they cost cut it, you know, to Yeah. To, to, to fleet sales. But it was just like, no options. Super light. We did have, do you remember it was at the office? This is years ago. But it was, it was a ram. It was, it wasn’t the, it, it was like the long hauler, but it was, it was a Cummins manual. Yeah. Like Long Bed Dooley. Yeah. Do you remember that thing? Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (17m 32s):

That was, was that red? I think it was red. It red. Yeah. I love that shirt. So I, remember Nick Kappa? Yes. Purposely purchased that to put in the media fleet because, and it was, it was like the last time, the last year of the, of the manual was a manual red manual Dooley. And it was like

Jonny Lieberman (17m 45s):

Rad. Yeah. And it was because it was like the long bed, like mega cab, whatever, whatever. But then maybe it was a long haul I.

Sean P. Holman (17m 51s):

Remember that thing? That thing was awesome. 160 gallons. We did a bunch of stuff at on Diesel Power magazine with that back in the day. We were, we

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 56s):

Were, it was stock with 160 gallon tank. Well

Jonny Lieberman (17m 58s):

It was, it was a one off, it

Sean P. Holman (17m 59s):

Was a concept thing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 0s):

Oh.

Jonny Lieberman (18m 0s):

We pitched them hard. We were like, we want to go to Jacksonville, Florida and I. ’cause I figured out What the range was, and I was like looking coast to coast and like, so like Jacksonville to San Diego, I think if you’ve stayed on the eight was like 2200 miles and like that with 160 gallons. That was, you could do it, we could do it without filling up. And they were like, we’re not gonna send it to Jacksonville.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 23s):

It, we’re

Jonny Lieberman (18m 24s):

Not sure. But we did, we we took it like area 51 or something. But it was, it was fun. This thing

Sean P. Holman (18m 28s):

Was cool. Hey, Lighting Have. You. Heard.

Jonny Lieberman (18m 30s):

Oh, Hano.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 32s):

No, I have not.

Sean P. Holman (18m 33s):

So in our last episode with Johnny, we talked about the Land Rover defender. Ah, and now they have the Okta, have you been informed of this? Okta I I

Jonny Lieberman (18m 41s):

Read about it and it was like, I’m just gonna, I have enough horrible things in my head, I’m gonna, but apparently it’s cool somebody,

Sean P. Holman (18m 49s):

It actually has a Wheel entire package that looks cool according to the photos I’m looking at. And it’s a 4.4 liter mild hybrid V eight making 626 horsepower and 590 pound feet of torque. So

Jonny Lieberman (18m 59s):

That’s the M five motor, the current M five motor, and also in the X six MX five M mm. Now

Sean P. Holman (19m 5s):

It’s got buler fender flares with, which make the body look less like a, a block. It sits 1.1 inches higher than the standard defender. And it’s a 2.7 inch wider standard, which I’m sure is done with Wheel offset. Yes. And then

Jonny Lieberman (19m 17s):

It I, I’m also knowing nothing about it. I’m also positive.

Sean P. Holman (19m 19s):

And it says it’s got 15.7 inch front brakes and six piston brembos up front

Jonny Lieberman (19m 24s):

Finally. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (19m 25s):

Right.

Jonny Lieberman (19m 26s):

15.7 is good. Aris is 17.2. Jesus. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 31s):

Have you, it’s, we didn’t get a chance in the last episode to talk about Lamborghini, which just kills me. But I, I’m gonna interrupt this episode to do it for a second. Oh, I gotta know about that Lamborghini. And, and I’m going to Italy. I’m taking my, as a graduation present. We saved up. We’re gonna take my oldest are,

Sean P. Holman (19m 48s):

Are you sure you don’t wanna know that It hits the Okta hits 60 miles per hour in 3.8 seconds. That’s 155 miles per hour while 43.3 feet of water with its 22 inch wheels. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 58s):

Oh, 20 twos. Wow. Solid.

Jonny Lieberman (19m 60s):

Yeah. You know, so those 15 point sevens are gonna look small. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 3s):

Yeah. So should I go to Lamborghini and take the tour? ’cause I hear since post Covid, they’re doing the tour again. Yes.

Jonny Lieberman (20m 9s):

Is that Yes. Yeah. The tour, the tours, it, I would say it’s, it’s not a big tour. So it’s not a big factory. And the, you know, the one time I’ve been there recently, you know, look, the Aus is now the best seller. So the Aus factory is much more modern. They were switching over for the refresh when they, they went from Orus to Orus S and whatever, orris per, so I didn’t, I’ve never seen the actual Orus factory. I saw the Orus paint shop, which is pretty fascinating. Be aware they, you know, the, they have the new V 12, the Ulto, I think it’s called that. You might be able to see that. But they’re, they’re the new orcon replacements coming. So that factory might be shut down. Lamborghini Museum is in the front of the factory.

Jonny Lieberman (20m 49s):

It’s super cool. Super. We’re seeing. And the most important thing is directly across the street from the factory, there’s a restaurant. So Lamborghini was founded in 1966. The restaurant was erected in 1967. Best lasagna I’ve ever eaten. Really? It’s in Bologna. Okay. Anode is a, you know Yep. Lamborghini’s literally in a farming community. So Lamborghini was a tractor maker, right? Yeah. Yeah. And

Sean P. Holman (21m 12s):

How bad was the movie? Did you see it?

Jonny Lieberman (21m 14s):

I don’t wanna talk about it, But, but like Bologna, I, in my opinion, it’s the best food in Italy. and I was shocked. It’s, it’s literally everyone in there is a Lamborghini factory worker. It’s actually, it’s so classically European. The workers, the blue collar guys sit on one side and the white collar guys sit on the other. What really? Well, there might, it might be rules against it. Like I know, I know in Germany, I can’t remember what they’re called, but they, the workers get these two 15 minute breaks where management is not allowed to talk to ’em. And I’ve, I’ve literally been doing something where we have like blue collar guys and white collar guys. And the 10 15, the break happens and they just, the, the blue collar guys just stop what they’re doing, sit down, pop their beers and drink.

Jonny Lieberman (21m 56s):

And we have to sit there with our arms folded, like with, at our watches waiting. So it might be like union rules. Gotcha. Don’t let ’em eat together. Same food. It’s just different sides of the building. Hilarious.

Sean P. Holman (22m 7s):

Yeah.

Jonny Lieberman (22m 8s):

But, but I mean this

Sean P. Holman (22m 8s):

Lasagna, that’s an SUVI would love to have and would order afford the Yeah. Oh fuck yeah

Jonny Lieberman (22m 14s):

Dude. So good. Sign me up. So good. Such an amazing, really still an amazing dude.

Sean P. Holman (22m 18s):

Super awesome. Audi, I just love it is an Audi, it’s

Jonny Lieberman (22m 21s):

Funny that people always say Audi because, you know, it’s the, it’s the Volkswagen group. It’s the MLB Evo two platform, which underpins everything. Everything. Yeah. From the Audi A four.

Sean P. Holman (22m 31s):

It’s like the TGA on Toyota It, right? It’s the

Jonny Lieberman (22m 33s):

Tinga. Yeah. But I will say this about the orus, it’s much more closely related to the Cayenne than it is to the

Sean P. Holman (22m 40s):

RI like the Cayenne since day one. Oh yeah. The original

Jonny Lieberman (22m 43s):

Cayenne

Sean P. Holman (22m 43s):

Was legendary. Amazing. Over build.

Jonny Lieberman (22m 45s):

Yeah. That was the Pek era of like, we’re gonna, we’re gonna make a a Volkswagen that’s better than an S class. The, the, the, the Fon we’re gonna make an SUV that like is fast. The

Sean P. Holman (22m 56s):

Tourig te TDI we had one four. Oh, the V 10. V 10. Yeah. One of the only ones. There’s 560 in the US and we had one.

Jonny Lieberman (23m 2s):

They’re amazing. Yeah. And then we’re gonna make a, the, the Veron, like it was just Pek has full

Sean P. Holman (23m 7s):

Powers. Yeah. We’re gonna just own everything.

Jonny Lieberman (23m 9s):

Yeah. So, so, so the, the, the R rs Q eight is not as closely related to the Aus as the Cayenne is really, in fact. But they

Sean P. Holman (23m 19s):

Look like, look at that. I can park them next to each other. Johnny Lieberman spitting facts and setting people straight. Right? You hear that right here on The Truck Show Podcast

Jonny Lieberman (23m 26s):

I I would, I mean the, the Cayenne, it’s called the Turbo Gt. So the, the, the OIS motor, the V eight, which is, you know, Four Wheeler, twin Turbo, they’re all four layer twin TURs. But in the, in the RSQA, it’s like, you know, 590 horsepower or whatever. It’s, it’s 6 41 in the orus. And it was actually built by Porsche GT division. That’s the race division does the GT threes. And then the, the, the Cayenne Turbo GT is 631 horsepower. Supposedly it’s 10 horsepower less. I mean, go ahead and measure it. You know. So there those two are, are real close. But, but, but the Lamborghini is light is 200 pounds lighter than the Porsche 500 pounds lighter than the Audi a thousand pounds lighter than the Benga.

Jonny Lieberman (24m 7s):

They’re all four liter twin turbo. Same architecture, same suspension stuff. Do you think that, but Lambo, they really do tune these things.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 15s):

Do you think that the earth will ever lose enough value to make it affordable to guys like us? Or will it all? Is it just gonna be too limited quantity and like, I mean, there was a time that they do

Jonny Lieberman (24m 24s):

Sell a lot of them.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 26s):

So there was a time, like my SL 55, we talked about in the last episode, that car was I. I have this original sticker was 1 21. Yeah. I couldn’t have afforded that car. Yeah. and I paid, I paid 24,000 for it, you know? Yeah. I don’t know.

Jonny Lieberman (24m 38s):

Don don’t know. That’s a great question. Quite possibly because you know that, that the os more than doubled, I believe more than doubled their sales volume. And they, they do sell a lot of them. So I don’t, I don’t know I, Don don’t know what affordable means. But like, would, would one,

Sean P. Holman (24m 52s):

Listen, if you can provide that or afford that Coke, you can afford the u Do

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 57s):

You, do you think that they would get to within a a hundred thousand dollars range? Probably not. Oh yeah,

Jonny Lieberman (25m 2s):

Yeah. Yeah. You think so? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I believe so. ’cause it’s a used SUV at the end of the day, it’s not, you know, it’s

Sean P. Holman (25m 8s):

Not like a last generation Toyota Supra two JZ Turbo, which are 180 now for an automatic with, but it’s 200,000 miles God freaking

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 16s):

Lamborghini badges on it. You know, like,

Jonny Lieberman (25m 19s):

Where’s my time machine? Because like, yeah. Remember, you know the one of my favorite cars is the, the seventies and eighties Aston Martin V eight. Yeah. And those got down to like 40,000 and Teer roses were down to like 50 at one point. Did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 31s):

You fall like, you know Adam Corolla? Yeah. So I used to work with Adam and he started, he started buying mirrors. Oh yeah. Lamborghini mirrors when nobody’s talking about him. Nobody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he’s made a fortune.

Jonny Lieberman (25m 42s):

Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sean P. Holman (25m 43s):

Hey, Lighting Have, You Heard.

8 (25m 45s):

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Sean P. Holman (25m 47s):

No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 48s):

No. I guess not.

Sean P. Holman (25m 49s):

We’ll end with this one. So Ford’s, CEO Jim Farley has in an interview, I guess with CNBC, said he wants Americans to get back in love with the small cars and wait, what?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 60s):

They have abandoned small

Sean P. Holman (26m 1s):

Cars. I know That’s what’s funny about this. That’s insane.

Jonny Lieberman (26m 3s):

He had a Scion te flashback.

Sean P. Holman (26m 5s):

I think. Yeah. Right. So I think the crux of this was he realizes that in order to make affordable EVs, they need to be smaller. And everybody wants trucks. But those take massive batteries, which are expensive and heavy. So he’s, you know, was kinda lamenting like the, the Ford has put themselves in this place where we love our trucks, but if we’re going to electrify super duties, they’re gonna be so expensive to get, you know, four or 500 miles of range. And, you know, if people don’t need a truck, like, let’s get back. Well, I think if Ford made a sporty small car, let’s go back to the Rivian. R three X. Maybe if Ford built, built something like an escort 2000 or whatever. Yeah. But as an ev I think people would be all over that. Yes. They just don’t make anything. That’s a fun, like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 45s):

The first company that does will crush. They’re gonna crush it just like Maverick had the Maverick Right, right. Was amazing. Hit that they didn’t expect.

Sean P. Holman (26m 52s):

Well, and that’s, that’s the thing, right? I think Rivian has, has fired a volley, but we know R three X isn’t coming out right

Jonny Lieberman (26m 58s):

Away 2028. So

Sean P. Holman (26m 59s):

There’s a lot of time for companies to go, Ooh, let’s jump in

Jonny Lieberman (27m 2s):

On that I mean. Yeah. You know, the other thing far, you know, look, you know this Jim, Jim Farley iss an intelligent human being.

Sean P. Holman (27m 7s):

He’s also I I will say that he’s also been extremely transparent Yeah. In, in the last, I mean, he hasn’t always been that way. Yes. and I feel like in the last year where he took the Lightning cross country, he’s talking about he’s being more open as a CEO about Right. I don’t know if that makes him more endearing to the customer or they more trustworthy

Jonny Lieberman (27m 26s):

I. think so. But did you see the, the LinkedIn thing he wrote this week? No. Uhuh, he, yeah, he, I I could I I should, I’ll pull it up. But he basically, he’s like, you know, this is a guy who not only does he race vintage cobras, but he’s really good. Yeah. He wins, he wins racism. He’s a, he is a really good driver. And he’s like, he’s like, he’s like, I know the article’s, basically. Like I’m in love with electric cars. And he’s like, look, this is coming from me. Who’s, you know, I love, I love v eights, I love my Cobra, whatever. But he’s just like talking about how much he loves. Let me lemme find it. Here’s the article says picture of Jim in his Lightning. Yep. And he says, confessions from a lifelong petrolhead.

Jonny Lieberman (28m 6s):

I love electric vehicles and it has nothing to do with politics. And kind of sounded like I was the conversation you and I had. We spoken that cigar and he just goes on and on about like how nice they’re to drive, you know? Yeah. And it’s, it’s an interesting read. It’s on, if you go to LinkedIn, Jim Farley, it’s thing.

Sean P. Holman (28m 22s):

Right. Tool, right Job. I. I. Think there’s, I think there’s different tools for different things. and I think EVs have a very, a very specific place right now with a promising future. Yeah. Opportunity has technology evolves. and I also think, you know, hybrids have a place, I think gas has a place, I think a tapestry of technologies will get us to the next 10 or 15 years. I just don’t like the mandates. I’ve said that to you before. Yeah. I like the technology. I don’t want somebody to tell me what I have to buy. I want to be able to decide on my own. Yeah. Let the technology sell

Jonny Lieberman (28m 46s):

Me. I. I. Just also think within 12 years, like there’s not gonna be a lot of gas cars left that people want to buy. ’cause maybe

Sean P. Holman (28m 51s):

Will just

Jonny Lieberman (28m 52s):

Be real, real good

Sean P. Holman (28m 53s):

Point. Or, or just the, the drivability so crappy for emissions that they’re just not fun anymore or something like that. I know. Yeah.

Jonny Lieberman (28m 58s):

I mean it might, you know, look, there might be a case where it’s like, yeah, if you do big towing, you need big diesel, you know,

Sean P. Holman (29m 4s):

Then you need a, you need some license from the government to say you’re allowed to purchase that or something. Did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 8s):

You hear Johnny Wynn the new Duramax coming out in 20? Well, the big seven would be like eight liter. Eight liter. Which we don’t think it’s gonna be that big. We think it’s gonna be the sevens, but they’re going to a much larger displacement to lower the compression ratio. Yeah. To cut down on the

Jonny Lieberman (29m 24s):

NOx. Yeah. So Porsche, you know, a lot of people are doing this Porsche, the new, the new nine 11 hybrid, you know, they went from a three liter twin turbo to a 3.6 liter electric turbo with a hybrid. And just the bigger the, the engine burns cleaner. Like, like this is, you’ll love this story Aston Martin, they make this wackadoodle hypercar. The, the Valkyrie, you know, it’s a, it’s 2 million bucks and they’re losing 2 million on everyone they build.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 48s):

I’ve seen it. It’s pretty cool looking.

Jonny Lieberman (29m 49s):

Yeah. I drove it. Yeah. But, oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 51s):

That’s the one where they, the logo on the nose of the Yes car is made out of some like, incredibly thin material. It’s,

Jonny Lieberman (30m 0s):

It’s, it’s, and it’s steel, but steel. But, but it’s, it, it’s 99% lighter than the typical steel asin martin badge. And before they glue it on, they gotta keep it in a freezer. ’cause if it’s room temperature, it starts to bend.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 12s):

And then don’t they paint over it?

Jonny Lieberman (30m 14s):

They, they g they gloss over it. Yeah. Yeah. And that was a huge fight. That was a huge new, he said, get it off there. And this is a great story. So Miles, who’s the, is the head of exterior design for Aston. He put together a PowerPoint presentation showing every single Aston Martin has always had a steel badge on the front. He left off, of course the ones that didn’t. Yeah, of course, of course. But, but anyways, so it’s got a six and a half liter V 12, you know, and it revs to 11,000 rpm. Oh my god. Thousand some horsepower. And so they, they, and it turned out they didn’t, they didn’t plan this, but it passed. They thought they were gonna really struggle with EU emissions. Well it turned out burned super clean. ’cause it’s pretty, pretty good sized bore.

Jonny Lieberman (30m 55s):

And then my favorite part was when they were doing the emissions testing, they released more carbon dioxide testing the engines than all 285 engines will release over their

Sean P. Holman (31m 7s):

Lifetime. That’s

Jonny Lieberman (31m 9s):

True. To make sure it was compliant. Yeah. Hey,

Sean P. Holman (31m 10s):

Perfect. Yeah, it’s nice. I like the, it’s like the government super duties that have no aftertreatment on ’em. Right, right. They’re military. You don’t need that. Right,

Jonny Lieberman (31m 17s):

Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 17s):

Oh, man, did that cause an uproar the last couple weeks? Holy

Jonny Lieberman (31m 20s):

Crap. Yeah. That’s, that’s insane. I mean I I.

Sean P. Holman (31m 24s):

People are just, they just feel like, you know, f you Anyway,

Jonny Lieberman (31m 27s):

Big f you. Hey,

Sean P. Holman (31m 28s):

Lighting, Have, You Heard. Welcome to Barnes and No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 31s):

No I haven’t. Wow.

Sean P. Holman (31m 33s):

The Truck, Show Podcast listeners hate Johnny Lieberman just a little bit less.

Jonny Lieberman (31m 37s):

They’d probably hate me more. I I would check. Let’s check the check the mill.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 42s):

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